With or through? The search for the best figures.

by Anton Theunissen | 14 Aug 2022, 11:08

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  1. Hkr

    Very cautiously and with respect for dissenting opinions, I cannot escape the fact that the science surrounding corona has become a religion.
    You stick to it completely, dismiss every doubter, reject every question, which could have a negative impact on their scientific views. Negative effects are ignored or, according to them, are certainly not a result of vaccination.
    But in my humble opinion, that's not a good basis for establishing trust.
    I know who I have believed in, and what I trust in. That is the designer and maker of my immune system, among other things. He also knows that diseases exist that can damage the immune system and that is why there are doctors and medicines to make you better again. They repair so that the biological immune system can perform its function again. I trust the knowledge and insights that these doctors have obtained.
    I do not trust people who only want to enrich themselves by modifying an immune system, of which they only partially understand the workings, but at all costs continue to hold on to their way of thinking and goal: self-enrichment through manipulation and lies.
    Of course, everyone is completely free to choose which religion he or she wants to adhere to.

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  2. jan van ruth

    "The lives of a number of people are sacrificed to the freedom of certain people to refuse a vaccination."
    That Spong turns out to be a purebred fascist of the caliber of Adolf Suis.
    that's how close that statement is to the ideas that have led to tens of thousands of
    "Lebensunwerten" were murdered in German hospitals.
    And that genius doesn't even realize that it was probably the vaccinations that brought him to the brink of death.
    And now he is afraid that he will get it again despite his vaccinations and the fact that he has already had it once.
    which just goes to show that some people are very good at one thing and absolutely retarded at another.

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    1. Hkr

      I do not share your conclusion regarding that Mr. Spong is a fascist, because I'm not going to talk about that and I don't want to judge.
      Of course, the fanaticism with which the vaccination is defended and the search for a cause in the vaccine is invariably referred to as impossible. Not based on facts, but on faith.
      The Bible, which I consider to be true, speaks of "a darkened mind and foolishness in one's own wisdom."
      This book is also often quoted to defend one's own actions, but of course I didn't mean that here.
      My big question is much more, how it is possible that intelligent people have just put aside common sense, as if they are numb. And then the serious question arises, whether such an ingredient has been added to the vaccine and people are therefore programmed.
      I'm quite down-to-earth, but I find this quite disturbing.
      Perhaps the ingredients of the vaccines should be looked at more closely by independent recognized scientists. Fortunately, they still exist.

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    1. Hkr

      I understand you. Scaring with disaster scenarios works enormously. I know that.
      But there is really more going on now. Let me give a simple example.
      Every car has a so-called circulation button, which shuts off the outside air and is used for temporary use. For example, to get the indoor temperature up faster, or to leave a stench from outside there. Very useful, but stands by: not too long, because otherwise you won't get fresh air! If we are talking about recirculation in buildings, that does not count. Headache complaints, germs.. Anyway, too many to mention. Maurice de Hond has said a lot about it.
      But the government still hardly does anything about ventilation measures.
      And it is accepted unquestioningly and very coincidentally perhaps, precisely vaccinated people think ventilation is great nonsense and propagate the air-recirculating mouth mask.
      But no car manufacturer is being sued for non-information.
      That is precisely why I believe that people are also drugged by the vaccine.

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    2. jan van ruth

      Why no ventilation?
      Very simple: then there would be too few cases of disease.
      The only active non-medicinal drug was not allowed to be used.
      All the rest, masks, lockdowns etc are only meant to scare people so much that they do everything that is expected of them.
      And the "vaccine" has nothing to do with the virus at all, but all the more with the aim of reducing the population.

      such as the tetanus "vaccine" that was distributed in Ethiopia by the WHO in 2014 at the request and with financial support of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation for Population Control, yes that's what it's really officially called!, but which then turned out to contain a substance that made women sterile.
      Strange that you haven't read anything about this in the media, don't you think?
      You would expect that heads would roll with such a big scandal....
      Where does that chairman of the WHO come from again?

      Just as you have not heard anything in the media that from the Pfizer documents as they had to be published by the FDA on the basis of a court judgment, it appears that of the 29 pregnancies of subjects in the Pfizer trial that ended during the course of the trial, only ONE, yes ONE! pregnancy has ended in a normal live birth.
      you would expect it to be shouted from the rooftops....

      If you now assume that all those lunatics with their conspiracy theories may not be so crazy after all and then look at the whole history again....

      You may also find the answer to the question how it is possible that fuel prices are currently about 40% higher than in 2008 while then the barrel of oil cost about 180 dollars and now about half that....

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  3. Hkr

    Jan van Ruth, I don't think we need to convince each other.
    I also sometimes get tired of how easily people are fooled. Because that's what it is.
    Of course, you can think differently about how to prevent as many diseases as possible.
    But that is not the case here at all. It has nothing to do with public health at all, and we have understood that very well by now. But a lot of people just don't realize that there is mass manipulation. What surprises me the most, is that people just accept and take everything that is proclaimed in the media.
    I understand that many cannot interpret all the figures that are also published here, but something as simple as breathing outside air freely (if there is no smog) you don't let that be denied you, do you? Why do you get a fever? To take a paracetamol, or is it a signal from the body, to step on the brakes and rest? There are countless examples, but most of them are too lazy to think. And so they voluntarily allow themselves to be led to the slaughter. You and I will certainly make mistakes sometimes, but you learn from that, I say.

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  4. Hkr

    Dear Anton,
    How funny that Jan van Ruth and yours truly write such a whole article together, which hopefully is a useful addition to everything you already mentioned yourself.
    Thank you for that and of course for all your contributions. Also thanks to Jan van Ruth. I think we have said enough on this subject now. Positive and constructive, that's how I experienced it

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    1. Anton

      Definitely a nice addition! I read everything (so far) but I lack the time to always give substantive responses.

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  5. Lars

    That Spong was completely lost became clear to me last year during his Op1 performance. What a vaccine. And that while he is a lawyer and you can expect him not to be stupid. People have been hugely fooled with the whole Corona policy. And especially when it comes to the "vaccinations". It is striking that especially the higher educated believe in all this nonsense. "Lower" educated people often have a very well-developed distrust. Probably grown that way because of the daily misery that hits these people much harder than the gullible brainwashed smart people with a fat wallet at the university. While you should expect these people to be critical and inquisitive. I don't believe in the theory of evolution (also a religion by the way) but if "survival of the fittest" is true, I fear the worst for the higher educated. They are certainly not going to make it.

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    1. Hkr

      The big problem for fanatics is that they hold on to their positions at all costs, even if the opposite is proven. The biggest problem, however, is the proclamation of half-truths. So that is deliberately omitting some facts, leaving you with a twisted story. Sincere people are honest enough to ask questions when they don't have an answer. A fanatic abuses that by ignoring the questions or bluffing them with 'science has proven it a long time ago, everyone knows that'. It is a lack of an answer and an admission of weakness for lack of arguments. That is why it makes little sense to talk to these kinds of people. Someone with different starting points is never a problem for me, you can only become wiser and enrich each other with knowledge. Finally, this. Since the time of the Enlightenment, science has used an empirical point of view. What is not perceptible to the senses does not exist. That is very unfortunate and does not do justice to reality. Indeed. If something is not perceptible to the senses, that does not say anything about its existence.
      So that too is a half-truth, unworthy of real scientists. This is not to be confused with hypothetical science. It uses principles that have not yet been proven and that is of course permitted, provided you are willing to adjust any wrong principles.
      All this all plays a role around the corona. It is also a means of checking the reliability of our government. That is why I have highlighted this extensively.

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  6. Hein Dancer

    I read >> that's why there are doctors and medicines to make you better. << Well, I think that's the biggest problem. Doctors and drugs do NOT make you better. Because a little doctor would have offered much more resistance to vaccination. They only suppress the symptoms and often do not make you better. In the past, when Pharma started. they DID get research money and the alternative medicine with herbs etc. from nature was also well developed, but suddenly the research money was put at ZERO. That's why I'm so against Digi -programmable money. Because if it turns out wrong, we cannot decide for ourselves what kind of medicine we want to buy. 🙁 The whole story of the virus is already a point of discussion, a lot has never been proven. Only told, if.............

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    1. Hkr

      I don't think you understand exactly what I mean, that there are medicines and doctors to cure us.
      I am trying to clearly indicate the difference, that the earth also contains a lot of natural medicines, such as herbs and plants, and has given insight to professionals = doctors, who apply them in the right way to cure us of diseases. That's how it's meant to be. But that system is being squandered by the so-called alopathic = chemical medicine industry.
      This is not only fake, but also often destructive to health, is addictive and weakens people. Not everything that is called medicine is medicine and not everyone who calls himself a doctor is a healer.
      In our complex time, it is not always easy and not right to put this point of view completely black and white, that does not do justice to the truth.
      The great danger is that quackery is a fact on both sides. Fanatics are dangerous people and deny any alternative. To leave out the deliberate deception and self-enrichment from the list.
      The corona vaccines raise a lot of questions for me and it is precisely the many secrets surrounding them and their intrusiveness and the billions in profits that are reason enough for me to reject it. I hope to have given another positive addition.

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    2. Lars

      It is now clear that serotonin plays no role in combating depression. Somehow the serotonin boosting anti-depression drugs do work but not because it would increase serotonin. So pharmacy has been wrong for 30 years. But it sells well of course. And the fact that people get addicted is a nice bonus. So you see again how those pill spinners don't really know what they are doing. What they do know a lot about is lobbying, marketing, financing corrupt investigations and scaring people. Last night this became clear once again with the Tel Sell episode on D66-TV (Nieuwsuur) in which the new Corona vaccine was praised to the skies.

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