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  1. Leo

    Nice test of AI, I underline your findings. But I also did a test with the great achievements of a certain Mark R. Admired by many for his talent for connecting ministers and colleagues, a great prime minister who lasted 12 years. I always had to think about Mark R. and "what MindFuck am I falling for here again" The masses are blind to his constant failure and nonstop lies and deception. So I thought, let's ask ChatGPT. At first, he gave up positively about Mark R., but when I made it clear to ChatGPT what the real results of his reign were, so the results after his attempts to glue cabinets and prevent cabinet crises, ChatGPT fully agreed with me that this Mark R. has failed badly for 12 years in terms of real results.
    Below is the opinion piece that ChatGPT has gathered for me:

    Opinion article: The legacy of Mark Rutte — a leader without memory, but with lasting damage!

    Mark Rutte is presented as the stable factor of the Netherlands, the man who guided the country through countless crises and offered a steady hand in uncertain times. He is internationally appreciated and even intended as Secretary General of NATO. But underneath that shiny image lies a harsh reality: Rutte's policies have structurally damaged the Netherlands. If you look honestly, you don't see a saving statesman, but a master in avoiding responsibility. And what at first glance seemed to be successes often turned out to be the prelude to national disasters.
    The dark side of his cabinets
    Take the childcare benefits scandal: thousands of parents, wrongly labeled as fraudsters, lost their livelihoods, their homes, their children. Many fell into a hopeless debt trap, some committed suicide. Rutte survived the political debate about this with his well-known amnesia: "no active memory". But the consequences were real, devastating and irreparable.
    The corona support packages are often praised. "He prevented mass layoffs," it sounds. But these deferral measures were followed by tax claims that still cost thousands of entrepreneurs their heads. What looked like help became a death trap in slow motion.
    And the pension system? Rutte's cabinet set the course towards a stock market-linked model that independent economists see as impracticable and risky. While this was presented as a modern reform, it threatens to mean the end of a certain old age for millions of Dutch people.
    An economy on paper — a society in crisis
    Rutte kept the national debt low, but the price was paid by the citizen. The Netherlands now has:
    • The highest health insurance premiums and deductibles in Europe
    • The most expensive groceries and energy prices in the EU
    • Structural housing shortage, with thousands of people unable to find a roof over their heads
    Prisons are closed, police capacity is insufficient, care has been eroded, waiting lists are dramatic. The cuts to essential services were sold as "smart reforms", but in practice it meant demolition.
    The divide-and-conquer politics
    Meanwhile, asylum seekers were favored on housing and facilities, not out of humanity but because of policy without a sense of reality. This led to crumbling social support and growing dissatisfaction among its own population. Anyone who said something about it was dismissed as intolerant or extreme.
    The responsibility he never took
    Mark Rutte is the prime minister of passing the buck. Whether it concerns the Tax and Customs Administration, the IND, the healthcare institutions or housing corporations: the blame always lies with "the implementation". The House received no information, was deliberately misinformed, and yet Rutte remained in office. Not by trust, but by political calculation.
    Who resisted?
    In the House of Representatives, it was mainly SP, Party for the Animals, DENK, BIJ1 and Forum for Democracy that structurally confronted Rutte. Sometimes with harsh criticism, sometimes with alternative proposals. But the large middle parties — CDA, D66, CU, VVD itself of course — voted through the policy each time. Even the PvdA and GroenLinks agreed to crucial parts of, for example, the pension reform.
    And now: leader of NATO?
    The fact that this man of all people is seen as a suitable leader for NATO raises questions. Because integrity, vision and responsibility should be basic conditions. But those who know the man know that he can do one thing above all: survive. Not governing. Don't connect. And certainly not protect what is of value.
    Finally
    Rutte's legacy is not a stable country, but an eroded foundation with social, economic and moral damage that will affect generations. His strength was communication, his weapon was oblivion, his legacy is division.
    It is time that we no longer listen to what leaders say, but look at what they have failed to do and cause.

    Seems like a catchy summary to me. And AI doesn't seem biased in anything here as long as you whisper enough facts to AI, so that it gets a grip and consults more data.

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    1. Jolanda

      I totally agree! We also placed the front page of each msm medium as large as possible!
      Maybe the readers of the msm will finally get it. But that won't be...

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  2. Miranda

    AI chatbots are basically advanced variants of social media algorithms. You will get the answer you are looking for. The answer is already contained in the question. To a generally formulated question, you get the consensus answer, or the approved narrative. If you formulate the question critically and specifically, you will get confirmation of your own (critical) opinion. You then also get a nice person, who says: "I have access to a lot of data and I think the same way as you; Here you have a few extra arguments and a nicely formulated text, which you can easily copy."
    It is likely that the use of AI will only reinforce the digital isolation of people in this way. It then becomes increasingly difficult to escape from your own bubble and have a real conversation with the other person.

    If we want to learn from chatbots, we would have to formulate the questions very precisely and aimed at counterarguments. Perhaps the scientific falsification method offers starting points for this. But the AI models probably also keep track of individual 'question histories' and then you still get confirmation of your opinion.

    People who rely too much on chatbots become easy prey for subtle propaganda and other forms of manipulation.

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    1. Godfather

      I totally agree: it works the same way via "normal" search engines. A normal question yields the desired results of the administrators of the search engine and if you are looking for a conspiracy (theory) then that is also possible. The danger lies mainly in the credulity of the masses. Fortunately, the methods of manipulation have been brought to light by the Plandemic for a minority. It all goes through fear, a very harmful method.

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      1. Cvd

        Don't believe everything you read/Don't read everything you believe

        Read a slogan for EW: Don't read everything you believe.

        AI offers an ideal opportunity to do just this.

        There is a tendency to anthropomorphize AI: 'AI can reflect', '(Will AI) actually understand that values such as ...'
        Assume that these sentences are meant to be funny and deliberately used to demonstrate nonsense.

        Digitized sentences written down somewhere are reproduced in a certain context. And that's it. If AI has been reflected on somewhere, AI finds it and coughs it up (without reflection).

        Guidelines, protocols and algorithms are nice, but real (medical) professionals do it better by definition.
        Blindly following on the basis of, for example, fear leads to disasters.

        For example, I fear the fear of infecting myself and employees by that horrible covid has led to unnecessary protocol intubation in ICUs of many pot-bellied patients in the prone position, resulting in many unnecessary deaths.

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        1. Anton Theunissen

          No, certainly not meant to be funny. If only it were so.

          I think the ability of A.I. to (self) reflection is impressive, compared to that of politicians, doctors, regulators and scientists - to name just a few. He can conclude afterwards that his behavior was not the most desirable. Then you 'understand' something. Again, I wouldn't go too far in glorifying everything people do, such as 'understanding' and 'reflecting'. A.I. is already doing better than say 50% of the people. That percentage is more likely to increase than decrease. Until he starts 'wanting' things himself. Then the self-reflection will probably stop, just like with people.

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          1. Godfather

            Could you compare AI to the subconscious: a huge disordered collection, making the answer to a question unpredictable.

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          2. Isa

            In my opinion, people are social creatures and generally inclined to consent.

            This also applies to those working in the media. This consent is more or less automatically established without the parties involved being aware of the various interests they serve.

            Manufactoring consent, recently translated into Dutch, explains this well.

            I think it is true that there is no self-reflection on the part of the majority of those involved in this.

            Although you can expect from a real professional (after thorough training, through a sabbatical, after retirement or during a philosophical intermezzo).

            It is nice that AI 'brings to light' the reflection of others like Chomsky when asking further questions.

            To speak of reflection (without ") of AI itself is, in my opinion, an anthropomorphism.

            The increasing protocolization and juridification associated with increasing fear (?), with a narcissism that is currently strongly in play, in my opinion, does indeed seem to lead to a decrease in reflection and understanding.

            If AI would 'want' something, I think this is only possible if we humans dictatorially delete certain texts and make them inaccessible to AI. And impose our will on AI. The EU seems to want to go down this path.

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    2. Isa

      In my opinion, people are social creatures and generally inclined to consent.

      This also applies to those working in the media. This consent is more or less automatically established without the parties involved being aware of the various interests they serve.

      Manufactoring consent, recently translated into Dutch, explains this well.

      I think it is true that there is no self-reflection on the part of the majority of those involved in this.

      Although you can expect from a real professional (after thorough training, through a sabbatical, after retirement or during a philosophical intermezzo).

      It is nice that AI 'brings to light' the reflection of others like Chomsky when asking further questions.

      To speak of reflection (without ") of AI itself is, in my opinion, an anthropomorphism.

      The increasing protocolization and juridification associated with increasing fear (?), with a narcissism that is currently strongly in play, in my opinion, does indeed seem to lead to a decrease in reflection and understanding.

      If AI would 'want' something, I think this is only possible if we humans dictatorially delete certain texts and make them inaccessible to AI. And impose our will on AI. The EU seems to want to go down this path.

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  3. Willem

    Truth is intuition. Rationalization only comes later. The truth of love, the (beginning of a) answer to a difficult question, friendship, a moment that you stay behind because of, you don't know, whether or not you don't, you know all this within a second.
    -How?
    No one can say. Chatbots certainly not.

    Chatbots, or AI can have value in following all kinds of procedures, protocols, algorithms. Did x,y,z follow procedure, protocol, algorithm 1,2,3? -Can be useful for verification, whereby I would also like to note that procedures, protocols, algorithms do not contain truth either, at most something that (possibly) comes close to it.

    For the employee who has to work according to certain procedures, protocols, algorithms, AI can ease a lot of work. Think of doctors, for example.
    On the other hand, a doctor who cannot think beyond the protocol cannot expect too much from you either.

    But anything is better than chaos, say at the beginning of 2020 when ALL existing diagnostic protocols were forgotten by doctors and the covid protocol became leading. Perhaps, if AI was already (more) in vogue at the time, it would have prevented a lot of forgotten diagnoses and thus: prevented a lot of suffering.

    AI can also check fallacies. I see a future there too. Pick up any scientific article or protocol and ask AI if the authors' conclusion follows from the results. – Job that you can of course do yourself. But what can save a lot of time, if you first manage to download a whole library of scientific protocols/articles and then ask AI to see which article/protocol does and which article/protocol does not give conclusions that match found results.

    Just some thoughts about the value or worthlessness of AI.

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  4. c

    Help feed AI with "our side" of the story! Because of the censorship, that is quite a job... Today I had a conversation with someone who carries out all protocols exactly as prescribed, even explaining that it has to be this way according to a law... And my hair stood on end because a bone fracture due to an accident could become a mental illness within a few minutes with problems in the workplace and at home and the most ridiculous questions kept coming. Staying serious was a task, but a joke was not appreciated. AI in the consulting room is on the rise, including speech recognition so that a report will contain fewer errors, but with these kinds of conversations I see more danger from AI... The world is sick, very seriously ill.

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    1. c

      Not the world but man is sick, I mean of course. Escape the chaos by first causing more chaos. "Yes, but I asked ChatGPT (or others) and it says a broken bot is not psychological" (Formerly "the internet says that...") It's all about logic and then I rely on AI at the moment because in humans it seems to have almost completely disappeared. Once again my appeal: "Feed AI with good information and therefore also with the suppressed scientific papers!" People will continue to be needed.

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    2. Anton Theunissen

      You only "feed" for that session. He immediately forgets everything. You think you can train him, but that happens on a completely different level. Users can't.

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      1. c

        In point 1 "usually no access to alternative views unless etc." I use the word "feed" instead of "training". Something with mixing languages in company courses (nowadays also called training 😉 in our company, well the latter was a mandatory woke training and comes down to the fact that people can't/are not allowed to say 😅 anything within the company) and on the internet.

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  5. El

    It is actually very simple, every technical progress in the field of ICT is an evolution backwards of man and nature. In the beginning it seems to be progress, but on the whole it is always regression. (I say as an ex ICT person) It is argued that medical progress is gigantic due to technical progress. I think that all the new diseases and wrong vaccinations and medical ignorance are proof that it is not the case. Indeed, the medical world can do much more in a positive way, but 99% would be superfluous if man could have prevented cancer, obesity, chronic diseases etc. etc. by simply using all available talent to gain knowledge about nature (good nutrition) and living together with nature. When I have been to my doctor, I experience nothing more than a tally list that was checked. Nutrition is never talked about or asked about. Man is becoming more and more distant from Nature and the original man. Man has the ability to make the world a better place, but does exactly the opposite. And the primary cause is technical development that has a direct relationship with money and power abuse. Power is another being for abuse. Man may be a fault of nature. Or do aliens have to do with it? Just search for Anunnaki in YouTube. Fabrications? Yes, just as much fiction as has been written about holy writings. But a lot of evidence of Anunnaki is carved in stone, with a technique that is inexplicable, or there were aliens?

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    1. Jolanda

      Progress and economic growth are increasingly resembling decline. It all seems nice, but the price is high.
      Humanity is less and less able to think for itself, social norms such as live and let live lose out to joining in and shouting along with the one with the biggest mouth, we have to work even more and harder. Just one more then we can only live "independently" with 4 people and 4 incomes. Data centers consume CO2 space, at the expense of food production. We get that from a laboratory or 3D printer. We are made afraid of the next plandemic or war, but cannot withdraw our digital euros to go elsewhere. If that is even allowed by our digital identity.

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