The vaccines can't be it: New Zealand and ASMR whitewashing

by Anton Theunissen | 20 Dec 2024, 17:12

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  1. c

    It remains silent (still) on these questions. I think there are many reasons and in my opinion all irresponsible. We will be even more surprised when "answers" go and/or will come. As a child I lived in a sect and from a very young age I resisted the bizarre rules and dress codes. Despite the heavy punishments, I remained in resistance. Years later, apologies would come and I went to the conversation full of hope. "Sorry you had to wear those itchy clothes, but we didn't know it bothered you." Nothing else, not even when they broke away from the sect themselves. I expect something like that on a global scale now but keep hope for more! Thank you for continuing to ask these questions and all the work!

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  2. Ward van Koperen

    I have forwarded this to X. The penny has to drop that mRNA and Vector technology is dangerous.

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    1. Anton Theunissen

      Ward, do you understand that statisticians throw that ASMR argument into the fray? Then you expose yourself as either a liar or a charlatan, don't you?

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      1. Ward van Koperen

        It's ridiculous. Surely they must realize that if there are extremes in mortality per age that you don't see them with ASMR?

        This is all going to come true. Time is only in favor of the charlatans and snake oil sellers. That is actually hard to swallow.

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      2. Bonne

        Nice to see that you don't focus on one method Anton! I tried to teach you this a year ago..... 😀

        It is the combination of several methods, which provides a good insight.
        ASMR is really not the holy grail. It is a tool to 'easily' compare several countries.

        But for real analytics, you need to drill down.

        For example, the mortality rate of Sweden is mainly so favorable (ASMR method) because ten years ago they had a remarkably high mortality in the 30-50 year olds. This has now dropped back to normal values, while higher mortality can now be seen among 60+.

        This results in a 'flat' line across the board.

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        1. Anton Theunissen

          Certainly, I will also keep an eye on both you and Hans Verwaart. I can best defend Herman's own approach as you know.
          I have never seen ASMR as the holy grail, but I have always respectfully taken a step back when statistical experts started waving it. I thought that was enough for a while. The New Zealand ASMR was the last straw the provaxxers had left, that's why. The fallacies are now really gone.

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  3. Cees Mul

    The problem is also that it is not over. I just read that in Alberta, Canada, babies are injected with a flu/Covid shot. At least 1 has already died. At John Campbell that there are now tests with mRNA-based RSV injections. Trials on children up to 2 years of age. Cancelled because there were too many side effects. And we are the crazies?
    Facilities are being built at various locations around the world to make mRNA products on a large scale (Canada, UK, Australia).

    Your last sentence seems like a kind of cry of despair. I recognize it.

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  4. Harald

    Great analysis, thank you!
    I searched for the discussion on Twitter/X but strangely enough couldn't find it. Can you post a link to the discussion there?

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  5. Anton Theunissen

    One of the regulars here invariably leaves a "Not OK" thumbs down. Sometimes I can understand that too. But I would like to hear what is wrong with this article. I'm not saying anything strange, I'm not speculating here, am I?

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  6. Stefanie

    I, as a layman, immediately thought, yes but what was the mortality per 100K in NZ for 2020? The ASMR standard is useful for comparing mortality between countries at a certain point in time, but otherwise it says nothing about the course of mortality over time. What does the same graph look like from 2017-2019, for example? New Zealand has even higher undermortality as you have already shown of course, but other (high vaccination rate) countries?
    And if 2020 had not been included, New Zealand would not have undermortality I suspect.

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  7. Alison

    "I really wonder what's going on in the media and in science – and why. "

    The White Coats Faith?

    My own working definition of a "faith" (as a casual religious scholar) is "predatory ingroup" here.
    The ingroup members get a bigger share of the cake than the outgroup, which is why they constantly drive each other to the middle of the school: Less risk, more cake.

    By the way, the bird flu outbreaks are now breaking out, just in time for Trump 2. What a coincidence.
    It's amazing how since the CRISPR research that is supposed to keep us 'safe' against unexpected zoonoses, new diseases keep breaking out – for which fortunately there are already patented drugs.

    My own conspiracy rule of thumb? The profit machine comes in 2 flavors: war and disease. When vested interests are in power, it is up to the war industry. As pesky populists, then a new disease. Time for some Pfizer blood money shares. (not with me)

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  8. Jan Tuinstra

    Great piece of work, Anton! At the ASMR for dummies, I immediately got the feeling: "But you can't tar all countries with the same brush, can you?!" Population structure is one thing, but living habits and conditions and health care are at least as decisive. That is why your perseverance on this point is very important and enlightening. Thank you for that.

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