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  1. Jan van der Zanden

    I think that is certainly an improvement compared to version 1.0. The nuances at the end also testify to quality and reflection. Cheers!

    Did you take 2 sigma = 95% for the bandwidth? That is a very big improvement in presentation of those lower ages. I've struggled with that too...

    It would have been nice if you would also show the 95% band in the details (women 20 - 40). My impression, based on my graphs, was that there would not be much excess mortality left in 2024. But at a glance it obviously looks very bad for Pfizer. Unfortunately I have not yet taken/had no time to do what I announced earlier…. Because then I would have found that too.

    I am still missing some kind of overall quantification of excess mortality per year after 2020 up to and including 2025.

    We're not going to repeat the discussion, but I would like to note that in my estimation this is still a worst-case scenario. There have been inflection points in decline in mortality/100,000 earlier in time. It is not very unlikely that the historically relatively strong, almost straight downward line from 2010 to 2019 would have turned towards less decline between 2019 and 2026 if we had not seen a Corona...

    Once again: we don't need to have that discussion again. Because! There is even a possibility that the trend towards a sharper decline would have started after 2019 as a result of our excellently functioning politicians with their wonderfully healthy new Wheel of 5, the environmental zones, the flight tax, and the blessings of the diverse society...

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    1. Herman Steigstra

      Hello Jan, thank you for your feedback! You say you don't want to repeat the discussion about the possibility of an inflection point, but I still want to come back to it. We will not know the definitive truth, but I see strong indications in the figures that the trend will continue.
      1) There has been a very different mortality pattern since 2021. Waves, with the troughs more or less following the baseline. The image of an additional, temporary mortality on top of a trend, not of a stagnant baseline or something like that.
      2) Life expectancy is increasing at the same pace as before 2020. But with a lag, caused by something that cannot yet be stated.
      We will see what happens in some time, but I can see that the continuously increasing life expectancy will continue in that almost straight line for a while and will not have secretly turned a corner afterwards.

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      1. Jan van der Zanden

        Prima.
        Unfortunately, there remains deafening silence “outside” about the drama of 2021 – 2023……. Because that's exactly what it can be called!
        .
        Today the parliamentary inquiry committee really started externally. Persco & hearing for victims. Over 2 weken de verhoren. I fear it will be a cover-up survey. Even 100x worse than the Benefits scandal; which actually became more of a scandal when it was going to be “solved”!

        Our government and therefore our taxes should be approximately halved. People simply have to arrange and solve their own affairs much more often.

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        1. c

          I call that period and the aftermath a “Corona tragedy”, such as the excess mortality but also the accelerated increase in sick people. That increase would certainly have occurred without c-shots due to an unhealthy lifestyle (my hobbyhorse for years) but I clearly see a greater increase in sick people, even among people who have a healthy lifestyle. Sometimes I think gloomy "let them die because it is priceless... those who don't want to listen should just feel" but so many people have been put under pressure and everyone deserves to get a chance to heal or the relatives an explanation. Many are not interested in that because there is also such a thing as disease gain. Personal responsibility is hard work and fewer and fewer people feel like it. A well-known virologist from Belgium is involved in a battle within his own team, I just read in the online news, things are going hard. I do indeed expect a cover-up from the parliamentary inquiry committee, but if they start taking each other into account, this could easily become a breakthrough.

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      2. Anton Theunissen

        We'll just have to wait and see how the actuaries will present their next forecast table. It could again be a little less optimistic than the previous one – and that one was already less optimistic than the one before it. En die daarvoor was ook al minder optimistisch… etc.

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        1. Jan van der Zanden

          They have a very strong financial interest, so they will not fool themselves... If they are too low, they will go bankrupt. If they are too high, a smart one of their members can take over the market.
          I therefore think the most honest/reliable figures.

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          1. Herman Steigstra

            Another important difference: the actuaries are interested in the actual expected mortality. Just like the RIVM does, because insurance must be provided on that basis.

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          2. Cor De Vries

            The countries with 'prolonged depression' (see article about country comparisons) also include France (in addition to Israel, where little can be expected: after all, Pfizer friend and I think Portugal and I think Austria).
            Actuaries in France are also guessing wildly, I read in response to a question to AI: How do French actuaries explain the persistent excess mortality?

            Fear that climate change will be blamed. Onze Kuipers is already busy 'manufacturing' the inquiry committee in this direction. See his recent report submitted to the WHO.
            Genius can't say anything else: introducing a CO2 tax thus gets an extra motive and small-shot damage is conveniently explained away.

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  2. Hans Verwaart

    Nice work!

    CBS and/or RIVM should do something about this...

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  3. Harald

    Clear and reasonable. Thank you! It is certainly a good refinement of your model.

    A detail: “In 2015, the number of births was lower,” -> the number of deaths was lower.

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    1. Anton Theunissen

      Corrected: “The number of deaths was lower in 2015, because birth rates lagged behind during the hunger winter in 1944 or 1945.”
      Thank you!

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  4. Willem

    Thanks for all the work guys.

    These types of publications teach me time and time again that the fact is more important than the question of why something is the way it is (interpretation). Dachten ze bij het CBS ook maar zo. Life expectancy has not increased further since 2019, which is a fact as this article shows, made using CBS data.

    And so, CBS says we have to work longer and longer because a modeler states that we are getting older (interpretation). Which feels very Orwellian, after all in 1984 the chocolate ratio was increased by -20 grams, didn't it? The Orwellian aspect lies in the fact (emphasis) that bureaucrats always do everything they can to ensure that their interpretation fits in with the issues of the day. We are getting older, even if we are not, and so we have to work longer.

    Anyway, somehow I understand the idea of ​​wanting to answer the why question. It is a more interesting question than the fact that 2+2=4, about which there is nothing more to ask.

    So why has excess mortality persisted since 2020?

    But there too the problem is that such questions may only be investigated by bureaucrats. And they know what the desired answer is, because they receive a subsidy for that!

    The desired answer is: post-covid, right? (Emphasis on not true). In 2022, the department where I previously worked received a subsidy of around 30 million to map post-covid disease. The chief researcher published in 2023 that the 'vibe' in the department was good. My vibe would also be good if the government decided to transfer 30 million to my bank account. But I would feel a little less comfortable if the condition was that I had to flush that 30 million down the toilet every day in about 5 years with a team of intelligent young scientists. And that is what happened with the post-covid research in that department. Nothing has been published about post-covid research from that department since 2022, for the simple reason that what is not there cannot be found. And so the snake of wishful thinking bites its own tail and eats itself. That's what you get from wishful thinking.

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  5. Hans Rodewijk

    Dank voor al dit rekenwerk, wat ik maar gedeeltelijk begrijp maar waarvan ik wel de uitslag als voldongen feit aanvaard.
    Iets meer kennis heb ik over de mogelijke oorzaak van deze oversterfte ,wat in de onderstaande video wordt uiteengezet.
    Kernpunten in deze video :het massaal injecteren bij de bevolking van een niet getest vaccin.
    Het blijkt dat er na een gebruik van 2 jaar zeer schadelijke en dodelijke toxische effecten vastgesteld konden worden van het Lipid Nano Particle (LNP) en het bacterieel DNA ,aanwezig in het massaal gebruikte corona mRNA vaccin.
    Omdat de Duitse corona enquête niet volledige transparantie oplevert en gezien het feit dat doorlopende gebruik van het schadelijke mRNA vaccin nog altijd gezondheidsschade oplevert ,wordt een proces met miljarden schadevergoeding overwogen ter compensatie van de nog levende slachtoffers. Essentie van de aanklacht hierbij is: Europa heeft bij de aankoop van het mRNA vaccin een ander vaccin geleverd gekregen dan besteld was.(In het oorspronkelijk bestelde vaccin ontbrak bacterieel DNA)

    https://youtu.be/jhJrO8nVKks

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    1. Alison

      They did the bait & switch everywhere, right? (Is my reasonably informed impression). I think only our own employees received the actually tested formula. Right?

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  6. c

    Maurice and Marianne will provide broadcasts to guide us through the parliamentary corona survey. They talked about guest invitations that won't make it into the official survey. I recommend Anton and Herman, among others, to come and speak about standard mortality! Do more people think that's a good idea? Something will have to be done as an “antidote” because what I am now seeing in the mainstream media makes me very sad despite my confidence in Maurice de Hond (if he gets the chance to not only mention ventilation).

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    1. Herman Steigstra

      I am available, but I wonder whether we fit into the PE's “desire picture”.

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    2. Anton Theunissen

      To avoid disappointment, it is advisable to temper expectations: the PEC is not a scientific panel. Charts and Standard Mortality are outside their scope. Their scope is: protocols, whether or not procedures have been followed, determining whether legislation and substantiation had been amended in time to justify the policy. And that was generally the case. So that's fine!

      The issue will be whether politicians have acted adequately based on the current situation at that time. “The functioning of the House of Representatives”.

      The PCR tests, for example, were an indispensable indicator. As soon as the experts suspected a resurgence of the virus, testing was of course intensified and it usually turned out that they were right. There is no reason to doubt this, not even from the documentation made available to the PEC.

      Plus, it was also in the newspaper, so it was just right. That's the level.

      Expected 'Critical questions'
      – were the lockdowns too late? (Answer: not perfect, but with the knowledge of the time: excellent.)
      – have the face mask deals been tendered correctly? (Important point of criticism because Sywert. The Commission must take a strict look at this.)
      – were there sufficient PCR tests? (In general yes, compliments!)
      – why did the Netherlands start vaccinating later than neighboring countries? ("Force majeur")
      – has the government properly followed the advice of the OMT? (👍)
      – was the implementation legally supported? (after various changes in legislation and regulations: most certainly!)
      - etc. etc.

      They better not invite me, that could only disrupt the carefully prepared money laundering operation.

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      1. c

        That is why I request you to visit Marianne and Maurice. They can also make their voices heard in the mainstream media and make money laundering less clean. Thank you in advance ☺️

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        1. c

          After Marion Koopmans (not everything because I can't handle that), I just listened to Bruno Bruins for a few minutes, I fell for it when he said "hantavirus" and then his imagination ran away with him, it seemed like "Chinese visiting the Keukenhof were discriminated against and that was discussed in the second room..." The Keukenhof did NOT open in 2020! “Measures” had been taken at airports (in my own words because I had just climbed back into my seat). No, Mr. Bruins, half of my environment works at airports and they were even the last with plastic screens and other nonsense against large drops. Many people were laid off at airports because they were NEVER needed anymore... So this was the PEC for me because even though we knew this in advance, I did not expect it to be so imaginative.

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          1. Hans Rodewijk

            In the broadcast "Virus of Tomorrow" Ron Foucher answers the question: when did you first hear about this virus? We heard this very early, just after Sinterklaas. This was a joint interview with Marion Koopmans. In the inquiry committee on 29-5-2026, Marion Koopmans was asked the same question and she answered that it was on New Year's Day 2019 that she heard about it. Proclaiming untruths seems to be the characteristic feature. of this survey

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            1. Herman Steigstra

              Theoretically, of course, that could be true. You hear about it, but assume that it takes decades for drops to make the journey to Europe 😉
              But this is going to be a very interesting interview.
              I wrote on X:

              The Great Blame begins. Virologist Koopmans: “The Cabinet put us under time pressure.”
              Epidemiologist Alma Tostmann: Every day of lockdown delay is a century.
              The tone seems to be set!

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      2. Willem

        What you say is true, but there is also a kind of hopelessness that follows. Like: 'Just accept it, there's nothing you can do about it!' In that respect I agree with C, ie that an active counter-narrative could be useful. Just put a spoke in the wheel! By the way, I have no illusions that Maurice de Hond will do that for 'us'. And even if he wanted to, I don't think he could do it for 'us'. It is much stronger to do your best yourself and actively inform the PE yourself. If only everyone would do that, instead of wanting to be an audience where you watch the spectacle with popcorn in your hand, where a warrior like Maurice the Dog etc. makes it difficult for the PE. Infantile game. Bread and Games! It's like the ballad of Roosevelt by Langston Hughes (look that up) where the audience sits quietly in the hope that a hero will solve it for them. Then you can wait a long time, even if you are dealing with a hero!

        Regarding whether the procedures have been followed 'properly' (something the PE will grill the policy makers about), after I had my say for the first time at Wybren (in 2024), I received a tip from some readers (including Cees, thanks Cees!) to actively inform the PE about my experiences (in following procedures) in the emergency room around March-May 2020. At the time I actually didn't feel like doing that, I knew the PE's answer as well. yes. Still, I sent them a note to which I… didn't even get a response!

        In retrospect, I think it was the right choice that I informed the PE about not following old procedures when diagnosing the new disease*. NOT answering me must have cost them some effort. Just as it took the PE effort (two years of preparation) to ask the 'right' questions to all those policy makers, without it immediately becoming clear that Covid was a big farce with deadly consequences thanks to those policy makers. What I want to say is this: it is not the PE that is meaningless, but those who shaped the PE into what it is today, those people are meaningless! It is absolutely right that Gideon van Meijeren did not want to get involved in that case.

        * which made it seem as if the new disease made all the old diseases disappear (with all the deadly consequences that entails). In medical terms this is called negligence and that is a punishable concept that should DEFINITELY be discussed during the survey.

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        1. c

          That's right Willem, I have also done this many times with letters, emails, etc. Substantiated in a very modest way, figures included, etc. What did I sometimes get in return: "It is your own frustration because your children lost their jobs AND family members (but of course that could not be due to the measures) and even more strange statements, blah blah blah..." This is how I came up with a list and is now called 'c' where I entrust Anton with my e-mail address. After the craziest years, I try to relax regularly (often it works quite well), but lately I've been getting the feeling that those crazy years are all around us again. Viruses are being brought out of the stable, Ernst K and others are back on mainstream media, etc. Yesterday a walk with a friend, halfway onto a terrace, under a parasol with a nice breeze from the water and while listening to this person with terrible new stories (after all the misery I had heard before) about: bacteria that won't go away, shingles, stomach cancer, liver problems, etc. in this friend's circle, the staff came every 10 minutes to ask if we were not succumbing to the heat with words like “Are you still okay?” “At your age” (barely 60+, fit walkers…) and unfortunately I saw that the friend was completely caught up in the hysteria. On the way back, I made some attempts to reassure myself about the heat, which I did not feel, but this friend suddenly did... the stories about illness kept coming and I suddenly even heard myself recommending a "skin scan app" because I now understand this person's extreme fear of serious illness because, as this friend himself said, "I could easily be next...".

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          1. Alison

            Any non-pure blood (not injected) could be next, to put it viciously. Sad, but true.
            I wish it were different.
            I wish that the knowingly perpetrators would be brought to justice, but... not so.

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    3. Alison

      Where? I find that much more interesting than this nonsense with Maid Marion who calls us hateful conspiracy theorists. (With the ridiculous strawman conspiracies widely reported and the actual scheming and coordination with Fauci carefully kept out of the picture and undoubtedly not questioned. Sigh.)

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      1. Hans Rodewijk

        The inquiry committee could have asked by which bodies Marion Koopmans was financed: Below is an advertising brochure from 2021 showing that Erasmus was partly financed by Ecohealth Alliance (Peter Daszak (and “Tony Fauci”)) (I cannot publish existing evidence of the financing of this closely involved cooperation)

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        1. Alison

          Ecohealth, Chapel Hill, GOF, sneaky biological warfare research with huge profits from silence for those involved.
          Maid Marion, Robin Fauci & Friar Daszak.
          A true-life Disney horror movie. Silent Hill is nothing like it. Fewer victims.
          It’s a Brave New World. Animal Farm.

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