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  1. Willem

    I have good news and bad news.

    Bad news first: discussions like the above have been had before, since the first vaccination (Jenner's cowpox vaccination) somewhere (off the top of my head) in the early 19th century. These discussions have not settled the fate of the vaccine (in terms of giving up vaccination). Perhaps the problem is that a person lives at most 80-100 years and that the worst kind of pandemics (covid, Spanish flu, smallpox or in the time before that [although ten of them have no vaccine, but quarantine/exclusion, etc.) the plague happen over a period of 80-100 years. It's as if the wheel (do you have to vaccinate to get out of a pandemic) has to be reinvented every time over generations. Seen in this way, it seems very likely to me that in 80-100 years the alchemical cookbook: how to conjure up a pandemic will be taken off the shelf again and will once again have the world in its (strangle) grip. That's the bad news.

    The good news is, the opponents of the vaccine can still be found and their opposition reads as if they are talking about today. One such opponent was Jesus (who was not afraid of the lepers) another opponent was the Netherlands' greatest writer (don't let him hear it) Douwes Dekker/ Multatuli

    I don't have his book (from 1871) at hand (I'm writing this outside in the sun), but what is elaborated above was also elaborated in 1871 by Douwes Dekker in his 1001-only specialties, where he mocks the experts of his time.

    AI (what a useful medium, but nothing beats reading the book yourself...) says the following about this book:

    One Thousand and One Chapters on Specialties is an influential essay by Multatuli (Eduard Douwes Dekker) from 1871, in which he mocks the claim that only “experts” (specialties) understand social and political matters.

    In this work he uses the cowpox vaccination (the vaccine) as a central example to attack the ignorance and arrogance of the ruling class and “experts”:
    * Criticism of the legislature: Multatuli strongly protests against the coercive measures surrounding vaccination. He argues that the government does not have the capacity to make such medical decisions for the people.
    * The “Vaccine Argument”: He argues that if a vaccine is truly effective, the vaccinated person is protected and the unvaccinated person therefore poses no danger to the other person. According to him, the coercion is therefore not based on logic, but on abuse of power.

    Would you like to further investigate the specific text passage about cowpox vaccination in this work?

    Yes

    Although the exact passage is spread over several pages (mainly in chapters CCLXIII onwards), this is the most typical line of reasoning he uses:

    "If the vaccination is a contraceptive, it protects the person who has been vaccinated. So the non-vaccinated person cannot infect him. Why then do we force the non-vaccinated person to have the operation? Is it to protect himself? Well, that is his business. The State has no right to force someone to be healthy."

    Main arguments in the text
    In the full text on DBNL he further develops this theme based on these points:
    * Freedom of the individual: He states that the government may not interfere with the body of the citizen under the guise of "general interest" if that interest cannot be logically demonstrated.
    * The fallibility of experts: He ridicules doctors who act as “specialties” but do not take into account individual will.
    * The right to illness: Multatuli even goes so far as to state that the right to become ill or to take a risk lies with the citizen himself, not with the legislator. [1, 2, 3]

    Context in the work
    In the book, this example of the vaccine serves as an illustration of his broader aversion to “specialistism”: the tendency of people who are experts in one field to think that they therefore also have the moral or political right to decide about the lives of others. [1]

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    1. Anton Theunissen

      What a seer he was. Let's hope it's more widely distributed now than it was then.

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  2. Jan van der Zanden

    I thought this could use a deeper but easy to understand explanation...... It has also been published by Maurice. https://maurice.nl/2026/05/01/het-verdoezelen-van-de-gevaren-van-de-covid-vaccinatie/

    This is a very complex study in which statistics and safety policy collide. I didn't understand it at all at first...
    I think some explanation is needed to indicate whether this is a hoax or a serious investigation. So it is very serious
    Below is a factual explanation in which we confront the complex mathematical statistical method with absolute numbers. And show how scientists have really made a mess of Science. If it wasn't so tragic, it would be very humorous...
    
    1. Summary: The FDA's Statistical Blindness
    1.1. The core of the controversy surrounding Dr. Rita Ouellet-Hellstrom is that the American regulator (FDA) used a method (PRR) that was unsuitable for a vaccine with extremely many reports of mild side effects.
    1.1.1. While the absolute numbers of serious incidents in young people (12–24 years) in the VAERS database exceeded the normal background mortality by a factor of 50 to 100, the computer did not give a “red light”.
    1.1.2. This was because the hundreds of serious cases were "masked" by hundreds of thousands of reports of mild complaints such as fever. Ouellet-Hellstrom proved that by filtering out this “noise”, 87% of the hidden safety signals still became visible.
    
    2. The Method: How PRR Normally Works (and Why It Failed Here)
    2.1. The Proportional Reporting Ratio (PRR) compares the ratio of a specific side effect between two groups.
    2.1.1. Suppose that 1 in 100 reports of the flu shot concerns heart inflammation. If this is 2 in 100 for the COVID vaccine, then the PRR is 2.0. The FDA only raises the alarm when the value is above 2.0.
    2.1.2. The mistake: People also reported mild complaints en masse with the COVID vaccines. If you have 800 heart infections, but also 400,000 reports of fever, then the share of heart infections in the database is very small. The PRR therefore remained below 2.0, causing the system to indicate that the vaccine was “safe”, while the absolute number of victims rose alarmingly.
    
    3. Absolute figures: VAERS versus reality (Expected)
    3.1. For the crucial group of young men (12–24 years old), the figures from the period December 2020 to April 2021 can be explained as follows:
    3.1.1. The signal (VAERS): During this period, hundreds of reports were made for myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) alone (approximately 618 for all ages at that time, heavily concentrated in young people).
    3.1.2. The baseline measurement (Background incidence): According to historical data (comparable to Statistics Netherlands), the natural risk of myocarditis in this young group is approximately 1 in 100,000 per year. In a group this size, you would expect only 10 to 15 cases in four months.
    3.1.3. The conclusion: The number of reports in VAERS was therefore 40 to 60 times higher than what would be "normal" in hospital admissions for this condition. Because VAERS is a passive system (underreporting), the actual number is probably considerably higher.
    
    4. Rita Ouellet-Hellstrom's intervention
    4.1. dr. Ouellet-Hellstrom applied the "unmasking method".
    4.1.1. She removed the top 10 mild side effects (the “little side effects” such as a stiff arm) from the dataset. Without this noise, the PRR of serious conditions such as myocarditis and pulmonary emboli immediately rose well above the alarm limit of 2.0.
    4.1.2. Consequences for 12–24 years: For this group, the vaccine was safe according to official statistics (because of the masking), but clearly unsafe according to its analysis. The benefits (protection against a mild virus for them) did not outweigh the proven additional incidence of heart damage.
    4.1.3. Consequences for 60+: In the 60+ category, the natural background noise (people who will develop heart problems anyway) is much higher. This makes it more difficult to prove that an incident was caused by the vaccine. Ouellet-Hellstrom drew the line at the group where the signal was indisputable: the youth and young adults.
    
    5. Scientific accountability
    5.1. Ouellet-Hellstrom's findings show that in this case “Science” blindly relied on an instrument that was not calibrated for a situation with extreme willingness to report. Ignoring absolute numbers in favor of a ratio led to a false sense of security.
    
    Bronvermelding :
    
    Ouellet-Hellstrom, R., et al. (2022). Unmasking of safety signals in voluntary reporting databases: A case study of COVID-19 vaccines. Drug Safety, 45(6), 567-578.
    
    U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. (2024). The FDA’s Oversight of COVID-19 Vaccine Safety: Examining the PRR Analysis and Masking Effects. Minority Staff Report.

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    1. c

      It is inevitable that we have ended up close to an article on the front page of the Volkskrant with our message about the corona tragedy. Maarten Keulemans is well on his way. On x we ​​sifted through the data about the influence of migration on our living environment (listen to Marianne and Maurice from last night if you are not active on x). In any case, listen because Maarten Keulemans will not have an easy time with P Klok (Framed Marianne) and with that he can show us his often emphasized independence. And also an article in Maarten's Volkskrant about climate hysteria. He reports that the IPCC throws a lot of people and articles under the bus. Would the time have really come? I hope so! Of course it is not only in Maarten's hands, that would make him far too important. It can provide some connection again. As Maurice said “we live in two worlds”…

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      1. Anton Theunissen

        I hope that his climate rant is an exercise in what is to come regarding corona policy, including the risks that have been accepted with vaccinations. He gets a real beating on bluesky. He can't do well anywhere, right? I can put myself in his position better and better.

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  3. Teun

    Corona started by building 'herd immunity' (through infection) and it ended with a 'pandemic of the unvaccinated'. Apologies for the banal response; but it is/was that simple, right?

    As an aside, a vaccine is always welcome; is actually welcome. Provided it works.

    Greetings,

    Teun

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    1. Teun

      “Since the beginning of vaccination, authorities have systematically turned to unsafe and ineffective vaccines, regardless of resistance or evidence to the contrary.”

      I would simply argue that that move towards vaccines was already a step towards unsafe and ineffective. And that the lie had been going on for a long time after that change.

      Since then we have only had to deal with missionaries (in the mediacracy).

      The only thing I have learned from corona is that people have each other's best interests at heart. Not wanting to harm each other. Even though we have all done evil in our lives. And I think that's the most positive thing about everything. Moving even.

      It is not in the Bible, but the saying 'The road to hell is paved with good intentions' has been proven. However, the reason for going that route was steered and consciously abused.

      That's how I learned as a teenager by watching TV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwiSp28xmOc

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      1. Anton Theunissen

        “Not wanting to harm each other.”…? That is not sustainable, given the withheld alarm signals. A deliberate decision was then made to puncture and harm people. Without consultation, it was decided that if there were slightly fewer than would be saved, then it was OK. Or something like that, even that is unclear, we are not allowed to know.

        Does that really fit with “not wanting to harm each other”?

        It's the Rule of Rescue, who shows time and time again that not everyone can handle the position of power assigned to him/her. This is about sacrificing healthy people for the benefit of the weak. This is described as “evil”, see for example the parallel with elites drinking baby blood. That is the most reprehensible image you can imagine – and that is what was explicitly chosen.

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      2. Jan van der Zanden

        I think you overestimate the intelligence and underestimate the moral component. In my opinion, administrators/scientists did not do this on purpose. And let alone that this is centrally controlled by WEF or the like.
        The government and the public wanted to get rid of the lock downs quickly. So: prick.
        Because this pricking was so important, standard tunnel thinking emerged, which suppressed negative signals.
        And once that has started, the reputation is so crucial that one cannot go back from the path it has taken.
        That's how banal it works in my opinion. Very often. Stupidity/short-sightedness/thoughtlessness of administrators, the public and the media. And this plays out in the same way in almost all countries with more or less the same culture.

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        1. Anton Theunissen

          I certainly don't overestimate their intelligence and the moral component. I actually hope that I underestimate it, because I have a very low opinion of it.

          They did it on purpose, indeed “because pricking was so important”. That is a rational decision. That is undeniable. I understand the tendency to deny that, but there is nothing to indicate this except the assumption (only about my person) that I would underestimate something.

          They also didn't want to “get rid of lockdowns quickly” – how do you know that? Well, when those lockdowns turned out not to work because there was no change in the decrease in R, they were continued and used again.
          Even the Omikron lockdown took place, I believe, as the only country in Europe, while we already knew from naive regions that Omikron was not a particularly serious flu. From that I would rather conclude that our power bloc loved lockdowns! Just as fond as they were of ineffective face masks that they could make everyone put on.
          At least then you're doing something visible!

          All joking aside: It is documented:
          – how risks have been deliberately woven away
          – how alarm signals have been swept under the carpet
          – how safety boundaries have been pushed
          – how definitions are changed
          – how the situation was presented differently from the reality they knew (or should have known, but which they had no insight into because of the chaos they themselves had made of it.)
          – how government censorship has been used to keep the real situation from coming to light
          – how counter-science has been deliberately cancelled
          – how the media has gaslighted and instilled fear in public opinion (not by accident!)
          – how safety routes have been cut off

          I could go on like this for a while.

          That is not an underestimation or overestimation on my part, as is evident from observation, analysis of scientific counter-expertise and WOO documents.

          I certainly believe that this happened on the basis of deception. If you do not properly inform yourself in such a position of power, it is very easy to take such a wrong position. That too is a choice. If you don't think that's blameworthy, I think it should be anyway.

          N.B.: You introduce the WEF, which takes this topic into a different domain. Like I said it's a preconceived plan or something like that. I DON'T have that. Please try to make that distinction.

          If you want to analyze where the deception comes from, the WEF is certainly one of the candidates; as far as I am concerned, the materialization of tunnel thinking. There, elitist misconceptions are reinforced by mutual confirmation.
          If you are in a position of power, you should protect yourself against this, especially if you have intelligence and a moral component.

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          1. Jan van der Zanden

            I really don't agree with you. Above all, they are very stupid. Unfortunately, you also see this in many other files. How can you waste €35 billion to cancel out 0.000037 degrees of warming? Then you are just very, very, very stupid.
            It's really bad that we have so much stupidity in our government. But that doesn't make those people "bad" in terms of character. Of course, it is poorly suited for those functions.

            They also didn't want to “get rid of lockdowns quickly” – how do you know that? Well, when those lockdowns turned out not to work because there was no change in the decrease in R, they were continued and used again. = Stupidity

            Even the Omikron lockdown took place, I believe, as the only country in Europe, while we already knew from naive regions that Omikron was not a particularly serious flu. From that I would rather conclude that our power bloc loved lockdowns! Just as fond as they were of ineffective face masks that they could make everyone put on. = Stupidity
            At least then you're doing something visible! = Reputation protection
            All joking aside: It is documented:
            – how risks are deliberately woven away = Stupidity
            – how red flags have been swept under the carpet = Stupidity
            – how safety boundaries have been pushed = Stupidity
            – how definitions are changed = Stupidity
            – how the situation was presented differently from the reality they knew (or should have known, but which they had no insight into because of the chaos they themselves had made of it.) = Stupidity
            – how government censorship has been used to keep the real situation from coming to light = Reputation protection
            – how counter-science has been deliberately canceled = Stupidity + Reputation protection
            – how the media has gaslighted and instilled fear in public opinion (not by accident!) = Reputation protection
            – how safety routes have been cut off = Stupidity

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            1. Jillis Kriek

              Hello Jan, as you may know, I have worked with Maurice from the beginning of the whole covid story. Maurice also initially thought that much of what happened was mainly the result of incompetence or administrative chaos, and perhaps he still partly thinks so. After the accumulation of policy choices and contradictions, I have started to look at this differently.

              What struck me most is that many of the so-called “stupid mistakes” ultimately seem to support a certain policy direction or agenda. That makes it difficult to see everything solely as incompetence. In my opinion, at many crucial moments there was hardly any open scientific assessment on which transparent policy was made.

              Take the laboratory debate, for example. For years, attempts have been made to keep the possibility of a laboratory origin of an airborne virus off the table, while it is now more widely recognized that this scenario should at least have been seriously investigated. That laboratory did not have the authority to work on these types of viruses. That does not feel like pure stupidity, but rather as damage limitation surrounding research that was politically and scientifically sensitive.

              The speed with which vaccines were available also raises questions, although this can partly be explained by the fact that the mRNA technology used to produce a vaccine in GOF experiments had already been in development for some time. No stupidity. At the same time, the crisis was used to accelerate the introduction of all kinds of social and digital structures, such as corona admission tickets and 2G/3G systems. These are choices that go beyond just public health and also touch on governance and social control through, for example, a digital passport.

              I'm not going to refute all of your points individually, but there are a few things where I think you might view the background differently. As you may know, the OMT formally played an advisory role, while in crisis situations agencies such as the AIVD and the NCTV are also involved in broader crisis coordination. That makes decision-making more complex than just “the virologists decided everything”.
              Also take the face masks. Jaap van Dissel initially indicated that face masks would have limited effectiveness for general use, after which the communication later changed. Released WOB documents showed that influencing behavior and public compliance also played a role. This fuels the feeling among many people that communication was not always exclusively focused on transparency. Not stupid, but agenda.

              The same applies to the vaccination strategy. The accelerated admission, dealing with side effects and the way in which risks were publicly discussed remain points of discussion for many people. And then, being Pfizer, all reports showing that they cheated the whole thing are put in a safe for 70 years. The contracts and negotiations of parties such as Pfizer and the role of Ursula von der Leyen, from which a lot of money was made, have also further fueled that discussion.

              And to be honest, I see the same pattern in other dossiers, such as nitrogen and climate policy. Here too, measures are sometimes presented as inevitable and a “crisis situation” is used, while the underlying assumptions and feasibility are even unfeasible. Sorry but I could go on about this all day. This gives many people the feeling that certain political directions have already been determined, such as reducing the number of farmers in the Netherlands and moving food supply abroad, before the public/scientific conversation has really been had.

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              1. Jan van der Zanden

                I completely understand you and can completely follow everything in terms of facts. I just draw slightly different conclusions from it, which in my opinion are more logical and therefore more plausible. I know of ideas, including those of Rudolf Steiner, about secret societies making plans for the world. In the past, that image was still somewhat tenable: you had a few kings, a handful of large industrialists; a limited number of people who could write history directly.

                But that time is over. The world is now far too complex for such a hierarchical model. What we see now is not a 'secret society' with one conductor, but a gigantic, diffuse network of 'policy tables'. Think of the WEF, NATO, ministries, the House of Representatives, think tanks, local councils, and large corporate councils – they are all cogs in a confusing system. No one sees the whole thing anymore. Power is no longer concentrated in one person, but is 'in the structure' of all those networks together.
                People like Lisa Westerveld or Segers are not 'controlled' by an evil genius; they are simply part of a system in which their career, their ideology and their fear of falling outside the group force them to act in a certain way. They also dutifully participated in all that Corona nonsense. Why?
                a. people who had/have power were not morally wrong in advance. They wanted to “save”.
                b. people with power in politics generally have a relatively large ego, not the highest IQ, little self-reflection and almost all of them are in the tunnel of their party's ideas. Especially on the left, there is also a very strong ideological motivation that is completely irrational.
                c. because out of ignorance + stupidity + not listening to criticism + Rule of Rescue thinking, almost all of them took the wrong turn in the beginning (with the exception of Sweden and about 4 or 5 states in the US), things went completely wrong with Corona.
                d. A path once taken cannot be corrected. Politicians know “better half way, ....”, but cannot live up to it. That is a combination of ego and alleged damage to image.
                e. the industry, as always, has tried to take advantage of the opportunity, including petty thief Sywert. And everything is done to achieve this: lobbying, misinformation, sweeping unwelcome research information under the table, lucrative contracts without liability, etc. etc. That has been the case for at least 100 years.
                f. some politicians are well “connected” in the industry; that does not help in making rational optimal decisions (let me put it nicely...).
                g. Unfortunately, scientists are often not really intelligent people with common sense; but often autistics with a micro-focus. And they are generally above all, very risk-averse and certainly not courageous. They are highly dependent on contract funding (project subsidies). So definitely no whistleblowers. And certainly not against the government, which finances a lot of contract funding. In addition, they are locked in a bubble/paradigm. See T.S. Kuhn. This is consistent with Maurice's observation that many scientists behind the scenes agree with him, but never go public.
                h. All this explains the very active RIVM behavior unit (including counterparts at ministries) to intensively implement damage control or ensure "good communication". The number of government communications advisors has exploded in recent years.
                i. The OVV has already pointed out very precisely that the role of OMT and Cabinet has been completely incorrect. The MCCb should have had much more influence. Even the OVV believes that a very one-sided policy has been pursued. Unfortunately, the OVV did not filter the content of the decisions, as they always do in the case of plane crashes. In that sense, the OVV is not really independent and has largely spared no expense. Just as I suspect the Corona parliamentary inquiry committee will do.

                And with these factors (and undoubtedly some others forgotten), the disastrous whole can easily be explained. I don't need a master plan, great reset, control ideals, WEF, Bill Gates etc. etc. for this. It is a combination of stupidity, self-interest and ideology that sends politicians in the wrong direction.

                I get your point about 'dammage control', Jilles. They are indeed very cunning when it comes to saving their own skin. But I think we encounter a fundamental difference in analysis here. You look for a 'Who' (a steering body), while I think that the real power nowadays lies with the 'What': the structure of the system itself.

                I sincerely do not believe in a powerful forum pulling the strings. If I'm honest, I don't see the evidence for that anywhere. If there really was such a brilliant, evil master plan, why is its execution so often amateurish? Why are WOB documents constantly leaking out showing that they had no idea what they were doing and that they were mainly improvising in panic? A truly powerful body would erase those tracks much better.

                I think there is something much scarier going on than a conspiracy: we have built an über-complex technocratic system that is now flying on autopilot. These politicians are not grandmasters, but prisoners in this infrastructure. They are trapped in a system of interests, protocols and international treaties from which they simply cannot leave without blowing up their own political careers.

                That is not a 'secret agenda', that is system coercion. Once you have the infrastructure for (digital) control/control, it will be used. For example, despite the GDPR, route checks are now being carried out and more than 10,000 people are working at banks every day to check money laundering. The police, DUO, UWV and Tax Authorities use algorithms for profiling. This infrastructure will soon also be perfectly usable to manage an individual CO2 budget if the current ideological CO2 confusion continues. Not because some evil genius or forum is pushing a button in a back room somewhere, but because that's just how the system is set up.

                It's a natural convergence of interests: once you build a highway, it's inevitable that cars will start moving. You don't need a master plan for that, just a system that sustains itself. The musicians all play from the same score for fear of falling out of tune and no longer being able to pay their sky-high mortgage. It is an economic-technocratic juggernaut that feeds itself. And that, if you think about it carefully, is perhaps much more worrying than a conspiracy: there is no one at the wheel, but we are all hurtling towards the abyss.

                And exactly the same applies to topics such as immigration, nitrogen, CO2/energy, housing, etc. etc. A combination of stupidity and ideology sends politicians in the wrong direction within the current social infrastructure. And a large minority, who unfortunately do not have everything straight but are closer to The Truth on some files, are excluded from the policy. And if they can make policy, they mess it up and are thwarted en masse by civil servants and judges.

                I think this corresponds well with Maurice's analysis. People who still have common sense look at the government as a cabinet of curiosities completely disconnected from reality. Not based on a grand master plan, or international elites sending something somewhere. But simply on the basis of ideological confusion and a total lack of common sense, self-reflection and critical ability. And no one in power knows the way out. A number of “philosophers” (Maurice, Ad Verbrugge) view this with dismay. And see things go wrong.

                That is why I do not believe in a central/overarching guiding power.

                I hope you can follow this?

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                1. Anton Theunissen

                  Jan, denk jij dat er op geen enkel moment een centraal sturende macht is geweest? Veiligheidsdiensten met internationaal overleg bijvoorbeeld, die stonden er helemaal buiten?

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                  1. Jan van der Zanden

                    Nee en ja. Zij stuurden natuurlijk mee in het grote complexe netwerk.
                    Maar zij waren m.i. echt niet alles- en/of alleen-bepalend.
                    Net als de WEF. Daar werden/worden ideeën uitgewisseld door belangrijke mensen met macht. Dat heeft invloed. Maar niet de doorslaggevende sturing van alles. Ik vermoed dat de WHO meer invloed had op wat er gebeurde. In NL had het OMT heel erg veel invloed. Vandaar die idiote lock down eind 2021, die verder niemand had. Dat duidt ook op GEEN centrale sturing, maar dommigheid op lokaal niveau met invloed van (ook internationale) netwerken. Maar geen harde sturing.
                    Het zou interessant zijn om hier een compleet schema van te maken a.d.h.v. de vele WOB openbaringen. Ik zie daarin veel van dit netwerk terug.

                    Het gaat om het complete netwerk van actoren en de beloningen en kosten die je gedrag daarvan als individu (politicus, wetenschapper, journalist, burger) ondervindt.

                    Het is best een complex samenspel. Maar omdat in de ontwikkelde wereld veel systemen op elkaar lijken is het logisch dat uitkomsten van processen ook vaak op elkaar lijken. je ziet dat nu ook in de opkomst van “extreem rechts”, m.i. een reactie op de hoogopgeleide globalistische elites in alle landen. Ook dat wordt niet centraal aangestuurd. Maar het gebeurt wel overal in Europa. Zelfs in de UK!

                    Interessant en mooi dat jouw website dit soort discussies (met deels gelijk gestemden, maar deels ook totaal niet) mogelijk maakt en mij daarin ook verder helpt……

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                    1. Anton Theunissen

                      Zo was mijn vraag ook bedoeld. Je bevecht namelijk een standpunt dat ik niemand (behalve teun denk ik, die moet ik nog contacten) hier zie innemen. Ikzelf al helemáál niet – terwijl je mij er wel op hebt aangesproken.

                      Het kan zijn dat we het woord ‘complot’ eens strak moeten definiëren want dat wordt te pas en te onpas in de strijd geworpen, ook voor reactieve gedragingen – en daar gaat het al fout wat mij betreft. Strikt genomen hoeft een complot niet eens kwaadaardig te zijn. Niet elke gecoördineerde actie is een complot. Moet je samenkomen en overleggen voor een complot? Ook niet, kijk naar het Sinterklaasfeest. Je moet in elk geval de conventies kennen.
                      Er is voor mij één noodzakelijke kenmerk: Een complot moet iets in het leven roepen, initiëren. Welk narratief is complottesk?
                      Dan volgt de vraag: diende het het algemeen belang of werd er samengespannen ten koste van iemand anders?

                      Ik vind de zoönose-leugen bijvoorbeeld een duidelijk complot. Maar wat het moest verhullen, het geheime, illegale onderzoek, is dat een complot? Misschien was dat ter bescherming van de bevolking. Maar misschien was het om de wereldheerschappij te bestendigen (en tzt ongetwijfeld anderen mee uit te roeien). Waarbij je weer stuit op de goede bedoelingen waarmee al heel wat wegen naar de hel zijn geplaveid…

                      Tot hoe ver reikt het complot? Hoe onderscheid je degenen die er bewust aan meewerken van degenen die er argeloos in trappen?

                      Ik heb hier wel eens een aanzet voor een artikel over geschreven. Ik kwam er zelf ook niet goed uit. Meer vragen dan antwoorden.

    2. Anton Theunissen

      No, it wasn't that simple, unless of course you don't want to look any further. As you say yourself: with a banal look everything is simple.
      But it hasn't even ended yet...
      And what does “Provided it works” mean? I suspect: That diseases are prevented and no one suffers from them. But how do you know that is the case? in other words: how do you measure that?

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      1. Teun

        "That is not sustainable, given the withheld alarm signals. A deliberate decision was made to pierce and harm people."

        That's why I mentioned my prejudice on day 1 of corona Anton (see my first response on your website). So indeed; that it is deliberate.
        I think we misunderstood each other.

        Your responses show that you have now come to the same conclusion.

        I called my response banal for that reason.

        I'm just looking further, Anton, I want to waste a lot of time on that, but I think that would lead to even more miscommunication.
        The only thing I would add is that there is an esoteric component to all of this that goes back to alchemy and enlightenment, but that has no substantive value to what you demonstrate here. And that would undermine what you are doing here.

        ” As you say yourself: with a banal look everything is simple.
        But it hasn't even ended yet…”

        So that's why I wrote what I wrote. We're talking about the same thing. We come to the same conclusion by other means. However, your path is precisely the demonstrable path; the only obvious way.

        I will no longer respond to articles, in my opinion it sows confusion and leads to conversations that are not relevant to your work.

        Greetings,

        Teun.

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        1. Teun

          In addition, I am not Jan van der Zanden... So I ignore your second response. I've always used the same email.

          “And what does “Provided it works” mean? I suspect: That diseases are prevented and no one suffers from them. But how do you know that that is the case? In other words: how do you measure that?”

          It means we don't know and we can't measure it. Until it happens. I don't believe in prevention, that's what I keep trying to say. I don't understand how you come to that reaction.
          I do believe in treatment.

          So “provided it works” means making one immune. And that can only be done afterwards. As far as I know (banal).

          Officially my last response, you have my email. Email me if you need to talk about this and you will receive my active email; if you want.

          Greetings,

          Teun

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  4. support

    *swear against myself*

    I want to share everything I know, Anton, but after so much intimidation, hacking, etc. before corona, I am no longer eager to share my direct contacts. They can't catch you that easily in that sense. K can only say that Stasi practices are a fact. Isn't that clear?

    Not that I have any meaning at all, far from it. I am not a learned man like you. But I know a lot about occultism. An awful lot of people were already talking about what has been happening since corona simply by reading books about what people now call pseudo sciences.

    Entire blogs and YouTube etc have been removed in 2016 and even worse in 2018.
    The entire public archive was digitized and then suddenly lost… no one gave a shit. 2017.

    You can no longer even search by date on the NOS website. They just delete it. Of course, this is what clones are for.

    The internet archive has already been emptied in February 2019…

    What do you think we're dealing with?

    Come on.

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    1. c

      First make sure that the stinging stops and that can be done with: undeniable figures (including here through virusvaria) whistleblowers and people where conscience is starting to speak (which we can also read about here on virusvaria. All the other misery and how everything came about is now clearly visible to anyone who wants to see it. Also plenty to look at, listen to and read about (still...) but perhaps it will be stimulating here at virusvaria to also question that if one sees such a response reads, of course in a friendly tone. I have no need for that and am very grateful for what has already been discussed here at virusvaria.

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      1. c

        Gisteren hoorde ik in een podcast van univibes Prof. Pierre Capel over het hantavirus en dat het wel heel toevallig is dat alle landen over ongeveer twee weken VOOR de dictatoriale plannen (is mijn mening) van de WHO moeten stemmen. Men GEBRUIKT dus het hantavirus voor propaganda. Het luisteren en kijken zeer de moeite waard. Het komt de agenda om vakanties op cruiseschepen te gaan verbieden (klimaat) ook ten “goede” want dat speelt al veel langer weet ik uit betrouwbare bron. Al heeft men heel wat norovirussen doorstaan tijdens en na deze vakanties net als de Bali-belly maar dat wilde toen niemand horen. Er werd nooit vermeld dat er op menig cruiseschip iemand was overleden of zo ziek dat ze van boord gehaald moesten worden want dat zou geen reclame zijn. Mensen het zijn net mieren in een dodelijke spiraal zoals Anton ook hier al eens een artikel over heeft geschreven.

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        1. c

          En jahoor, een cruiseschip in quarantaine vanwege een 90 jarige die is overleden aan een norovirus (nabestaanden gecondoleerd want altijd een verdrietige gebeurtenis maar voor zo’n laatste reis zou ik onmiddellijk tekenen…) In de jaren voor maart 2020 heeft de persoon die ik goed ken deze maatregel nooit meegemaakt in de vele jaren dat deze persoon werkzaam was in de cruisewereld. En bijna elke reis komt het voor op deze schepen en in heel veel landen. Op een cruiseschip is alles aanwezig van ziekenboeg tot mortuarium maar onnodig in quarantaine wil toch niemand. Toch?

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          1. Jan van der Zanden

            Dat is een goeie. Ik vorige week uitgerekend, dat als je als werkgever 500 man personeel hebt die gelijk verdeeld zijn van ca. 25 – 67 jaar, dan gaat er elke jaar gemiddeld 1 dood.
            Als je met een boot met 2.000 pensionado’s van allemaal boven de 65 een stuk of 3 maandjes rondvaart, dan gaan er dus heel wat dood………
            Van 60 – 70 jaar gaan er 1000 per 100.000 per jaar dood. Dus 10 per 1.000.
            Van 70 – 80 jaar zijn het er 3 x zo veel jaar.
            Als je er dus 2.000 aan boord hebt, gaan er 20 in een jaar dood, Hantavirus of niet. In een kwartaal, zoals zo’n duur reisje vaak duurt, dus 5. Nou zullen de meest ongezonde mensen wellicht thuis blijven, ok…. Maar er gaan vast ook heel wat 70-tigers mee.
            Wat een poeha toch weer allemaal…..

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            1. c

              Ook heel ongezonde/zieke mensen gaan op cruiseschepen mee, regelmatig als laatste reis (met familie). Het is geheel verzorgd, personeel enorm behulpzaam, ook op de plekken waar men aanmeert. Onbegrijpelijk dat de cruisewereld niet voor zichzelf is opgekomen en opkomt. Op meer onderwerpen dan alleen virussen… Overheden liegen niet alleen over de c-prikken. De persoon die ik goed ken heeft het zinkende schip moeten verlaten door de leugens over corona maar ondanks het gemis nu opgelucht niet meer betrokken te zijn bij de ondergang van de cruisewereld.

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              1. Jan van der Zanden

                Aha, zou onze D66 overheid zo de CO2 uitstoot willen beperken?????

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                1. c

                  Er werd al langere tijd gewerkt aan en met groene oplossingen of liever gezegd wat men groen noemt maar dat is geen discussie voor hier. Ondertussen ontmoedigt men alle vormen van vakantie behalve thuisblijven. Nog gekker, het reizen werd ons een tijd ontnomen en vervolgens alleen met voorwaarden toegestaan. Ik ben er helemaal niet gerust op. Het liegen, zelfs openlijk, gaat maar door.

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  5. Jan van der Zanden

    Het CBG heeft zowaar gereageerd en een uitsplitsing van hun inkomsten verstrekt. Ik snap er nog niet veel van, maar het geeft een beeld…. Omzet derden blijkt toch ook een groot deel van overheden te zijn.
    https://www.rijksfinancien.nl/jaarverslag/2024/XVI#7856095

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    1. Anton Theunissen

      Ik zie niet waar die derden staan uitgesplitst? Er staat wel: “Het aCBG is een tarief gefinancierde organisatie. Voor zijn omzet is het sterk afhankelijk van aanvragen (procedures) vanuit de farmaceutische industrie. ”

      In het geval van de Coronaprikken kun je je afvragen of het wel een geruststellende gedachte is dat hun geld deels van de overheid komt. De overheden waarmee wij moesten dealen in het coronadossier, hebben staan liegen, pushen, dwingen, chanteren, geweld gebruikt, juridische middelen ingezet, sms-jes verwijderd met farma-onderonsjes, onderzoek gesaboteerd, data gemanipuleerd… en dat moeten wij dan als betrouwbaar opvatten.

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  6. Jan van der Zanden

    Als geschreven: ik snap er nog steeds niet veel van, er zijn wel productcategorieën. Dat is alles qua uitsplitsing.
    En eens, dat overheden niet te vertrouwen zijn als financiers. Maar ik vind zomaar, dat farmaceuten nog minder te vertrouwen zijn……

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