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  1. Willem

    On the one hand, I applaud these types of studies: even though there are a few methodological comments to be made (I saw small numbers, and it is not clear to me how they selected the cases and controls), it is commendable that the question can now also be asked in an academic institution: was mass vaccination in 2021 actually a great idea?

    On the other hand, it strikes me that the academy only becomes critical at a time when it no longer really matters. That is the case now, but was also the case with softenon, for example (only 6 years after the drug came on the market, and at a time when the manufacturer itself had decided to stop using softenon, the academic world woke up and wrote critical articles about the use of softenon). The same can be said about slow-release opiates, antipsychotics in children, the effectiveness of a number of diabetes medications, smoking, etc. How is it possible, I wonder, that smart buds need such a long time to see something 'possible', which was and has been clear to the general public for a long time. And what else does it add?

    It's a bit like the proverb: when the calf has drowned, the well is filled in, but even worse. Not only must the calf have drowned, all those people who were responsible for that calf (not to drown) must also have disappeared from 'the picture' before the academy takes action. What also helps to get academics critical of a drug is if that drug is no longer prescribed. The latter may not (just) be the case with injecting Mrna for Covid, but it was the case with other means. I already mentioned Softenon. Slow release opiates are (I think) also clearly depicted in the dope-sick series. Anti-diabetes drugs, something about this came out in the media, 60 years later, see for example here: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/0003-4819-157-9-201211060-00016?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%20%200pubmed

    Well, maybe something for science journalists from quality newspapers to write about. They often get their inspiration from here.

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    1. J.C.M. Rodewijk

      Was it actually such a great idea to vaccinate en masse in 2021?

      As far as I am concerned, it is an economic activity that could generate a lot of profit. The risk that this mass vaccination would have potentially harmful side effects was greatly minimized with (global) power and money. Lessons from the past were ignored.

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      1. Anton Theunissen

        The reason was not an economic activity but an accident. There are always parties that see opportunities to make money from this. Especially if they themselves are partly responsible for the accident.

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      2. Hendrik Kwindt

        False logic: it was not the risk that was minimized with the aforementioned means, but the willingness to face that risk and take it into account.

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    2. Lydia

      The myth that the pus from an inflamed cow udder “conferred immunity against the deadly smallpox virus,” ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_vaccine ) has been around for 230 years, so you better not hold your breath until you encounter serious academic criticism of the MRI shots.

      And Anton, are you sure the virtual virus escaped accidentally? Wasn't it on purpose? Were you there?

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      1. Anton Theunissen

        No, I'm not sure, but I've described it extensively so I don't understand why you're asking about that.
        Your other questions come across more as banter than interest.

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        1. Lydia

          You reprimand someone (“no economic activity”) with a firm statement (“accident”) for which you only have some vague indications.

          Then it seems as if you have not asked yourself the critical questions that I asked you - obviously not out of interest, because I already know the answer.

          You have tried “extensively” to make your opinion plausible – that's all.

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          1. Hans Rodewijk

            Mass vaccination as an economic activity took place after the panic that arose after the laboratory leak of Sars Cov 2 at the WIV. For me (and others), this leak is not an opinion but a conclusion after reading scientific publications, books (including the Wuhan Trilogy), events such as the telephone conference (of top virologists, among others) on 1-2-2020 and the taking offline of the internationally available database of identified viruses on 12-9-2019 by Chinese researchers and much more other information (e.g. USA congress hearings about corona) There is also no (reliable) scientific publication that reports on a Sars Cov 2 virus-transmitting animal that is responsible for the outbreak. The proof I requested of a zoonotic outbreak of Covid 19 from virologists working in the Netherlands (including M.K.) has not been provided. These experts spoke/wrote about consensus and never provided scientifically demonstrable evidence.

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            1. Lydia

              Jan Bonte has written 1240 pages about the origin of SARS-CoV-2, but apparently did not draw the same conclusion as you; otherwise there wouldn't have been a question mark in his subtitle.

              Be that as it may, the evidence for the existence of SARS-CoV-2 is so poor and unscientific that it must be concluded that it does not exist.

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              1. Anton Theunissen

                A question mark at the end of a title or subtitle does not mean that someone believes that viruses do not exist. It doesn't even mean the question isn't answered in the book.

                Nothing further needs to be concluded, but you can draw your own conclusions. In the context of the corona pandemic, it is just as irrelevant whether you believe that viruses exist or not, as it is irrelevant if someone keeps saying that God does not exist when analyzing a religious war. Or Allah or any concept. Or that we live in a matrix or that death is just an illusion or that the gods were cosmonauts or that we are controlled by aliens or that everything is predestined. It simply doesn't matter in this context.

                It's better to wage that crusade somewhere else. It's actually just disturbing here. You remind me of Rowan Atkinson interview met Elton John think.
                I now consider that subject closed.

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                1. Lydia

                  The subtitle of Bonte's book is “Corona, escaped from the lab?” So Jan is not sure, but he undoubtedly believes in the existence of the virus.

                  Of course “nothing should be concluded,” it is just a way of expressing my opinion and a response to Hans's statement.

                  Of course, “in the context of the corona pandemic” it is relevant whether or not the virus exists. For example, an increase in patients on mechanical ventilation in the ICU requires a different explanation.

                  I don't think it's fair to call my commentary a “crusade.” In this case and for example in our discussion about the reliability of the PCR test, I feel it necessary to express my opinion.

                  I could say more about that, for example about why I consider the existence indications unscientific. However, if there is no interest in that, I will leave it out.

                  You say you now consider the subject “closed,” but it is clear you never considered it.

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                  1. Anton Theunissen

                    1) You're repeating yourself about the title.

                    2) You literally wrote “must be concluded”. But OK, that's semantics.

                    3) Whether it is a relatively harmless virus (with instilled seriousness) or something other than a virus (with instilled seriousness) or an innocent disease (with instilled seriousness) or simultaneous coincidence across the entire world (with instilled seriousness) – it doesn't really matter to me for the course of events. But I have also tried to clarify that with an analogy. One more thing: a war because of an unnecessary, artificial threat is also a war, and in it you can also analyze strategic errors and follies with the aim of exposing the madness.

                    4a+b) We live in a free country, but it is better to find someone who finds the subject interesting and wants to defend it.

                    5) You're not the first to point this out to me. I have previously seen a number of videos by Dr. Watched Sam Bailey and read pieces from that corner. To me they were unconvincing. For me, contagiousness exists, just like interpersonal exchange of hormones, ideas, etc.

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                    1. Lydia

                      1) You wrote: “A question mark at the end of a title or subtitle does not mean that someone believes that viruses do not exist.” This makes no sense at all so I have clarified my argument. By the way, I find it funny that Jan calls his own book a masterpiece.

                      3) You don't really care if it's a virus or not, but you are sure it accidentally escaped from a lab? Well…

                      4) I responded to Hans. Maybe he's interested.

                      5) Sam Bailey videos are always fun to watch, aside from that horrible New Zealand English

                      I do not claim that contagiousness (of bacteria, for example) does not exist. And before a retrovirus was accepted as the cause of AIDS, there was a lot of research into retroviruses as a possible cause of cancer. That would mean that cancer is contagious, which you probably don't believe.

                    2. Anton Theunissen

                      Jeroen, we are at the end of the levels so I don't know if the order of the answers will still be correct.

                      1) You understood this correctly, it didn't make sense because your reasoning didn't make sense either.

                      3) I'm not 100% sure, I've said that before but you keep trolling. I find the question of whether intentional or accidental an interesting one. Whether there was actually something like a virus that was used to set up a scam or whether the virus was completely created out of thin air (pun intended) doesn't really matter to me yet. Maybe that will come to light later.

                      4) OK

                      5) I hardly understand her. But she sure is fun to watch!

                      I wouldn't know about the contagiousness of cancer. My father died of a brain tumor, I had a lot of contact with him when he was ill, my mother cared for him at home until his death and she never left his side. 25 years later my mother herself died of metastatic cancer. I have had intensive contact with her in recent weeks. At least I'm still here.
                      Cancer is pretty much the leading cause of death. Wouldn't you have noticed the contagiousness already? Is the number of deaths among nursing staff in cancer wards higher than in other wards? Interesting if so! But hey, how do you find that out? In any case, the nursing staff themselves have not realized it yet.

                    3. Lydia

                      Let's stop talking about the trilogy that evokes associations with Erich von Däniken's masterpieces.

                      And thank God I don't read any more vain analogies from you, so I'll stop trolling.

                      My condolences for your parents. It is difficult to determine whether a disease is contagious or not. As far as I know, retroviruses have not been accepted as a cause of cancer in humans (although they are in some animals).

                      What is accepted is that a herpes virus causes the AIDS-defining disease Kaposi's sarcoma (also called "gay cancer"). This applies not only to the epidemic (AIDS-defining) subtype, but to all subtypes, including the endemic ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaposi%27s_sarcoma ).

                      It is of course remarkable that a human virus seems to respect area boundaries.

                      By the way, so-called “poppers” are the more obvious explanation for epidemic KS:
                      https://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/jlpoppers.htm

                    4. Anton Theunissen

                      Fine, thank you. Where you find me again is with your comment “It is of course remarkable that a human virus seems to respect area boundaries.” That is indeed something striking, something that Denis Rancourt, for example, has also pointed out emphatically. Then there must at least be other factors at play than a virus - if that already exists (this to accommodate you as well 😉 ).

                    5. Lydia

                      Do you have a link for the non-spreading viruses that Rancourt pointed out?

                    6. Anton Theunissen

                      It is extremely unlikely that a virulent and contagious viral respiratory pathogen that would have caused the exceedingly large COVID-era excess mortality in the USA, could not have crossed the border into Canada, the world’s longest international land border (8,890 km) between two major trading partners; where both countries are normally (pre-COVID-era) continuously subject to seasonal (winter) viral respiratory disease epidemics having virtually identical mortality characteristics.
                      https://denisrancourt.ca/uploads_entries/1635189453861_USA ACM into 2021 - article—-12d.pdf

                      We have shown repeatedly that excess mortality most often refused to cross national borders and inter-state lines. The invisible virus targets the poor and disabled and carries a passport.
                      https://denisrancourt.substack.com/p/there-was-no-pandemic

                      He almost always says it, in every video (check out odysee). E.g. from 3:00 am https://odysee.com/@Coronavirus:4e/Dr.-Denis-Rancourt-Unveiling-All-Cause-Mortality:8

                      It is one of the core arguments for his conclusion that there was no special virus and therefore no viral pandemic and therefore no viral excess mortality.

                    7. Lydia

                      Thank you. Sounds good, only Denis's metaphors could be better; After all, a passport gets you across the border. 😉

              2. Hendrik Kwindt

                Everything exists, Jeroen.

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                1. Hans Rodewijk

                  Regarding the item whether or not viruses are present in humans and animals. For example, the BVD virus in cattle and the FIP virus in cats. These viruses can remain in the host for years and ultimately have a fatal outcome.
                  Viruses that can cause leucosis are known in both cattle and cats.
                  The Sars Cov 2 virus can be present asymptomatically in both humans and mink.
                  With viruses it is difficult to apply Koch's postulates, so there are often still questions to be answered.

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  2. Hans Rodewijk

    Indeed, the reason was the unexpected escape from the lab of a virus with an unexpected worldwide course. The parties responsible for this have turned necessity into a virtue by bringing a largely incompletely tested vaccine onto the market.

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      1. c

        In February 2021, my scientifically graduated child received a “recruitment email” to earn a lot of money with the advertising campaign for long covid. I sent these proofs to several people but I received no response. At the end of that long Covid recruitment email, there was also a call to take the shot. Why did I remember this: it was freezing to the point where it was creaking and the "victim of long Covid" at the time who worked at the company where people could apply had been in bed for months, the story goes, but that person's social media showed skating marathons on natural ice... It really affected me because the call for the shot was mainly aimed at young people who could apply for multiple jobs. A relative of ours, at the age of 90, was still in perfect health, found dead in bed 4 days after the injection. In February 2021, a lot of misery could have been prevented, except for people who have long-term complaints after an infection with whatever. I will continue to follow it all and read it critically, thanks!

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