A closer look at mortality among women aged 40-50 years

by Hans Verwaart | 24 Feb 2025, 18:02

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  1. Bonne Clock

    Nice that you put some nuances Hans. I agree with you that there really is something going on, but 30% was 'grossly' exaggerated in my opinion. A regression line depends on its data points, and if they have a slightly larger deviation from the start year and the last year, it can give (too) large deviation.

    In addition, there are also some comments to be made about those forecasts. Although I don't have the deeper zoomed-in forecasts of 40-50 exactly in mind.

    But I'm glad you put the necessary nuances. That always has added value for me, when one indicates any weaknesses and strengths in a calculation.

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    1. Anton Theunissen

      I saw it too (also learned 😉 from you years ago) but in the run-up to the debate I didn't mind at all shaking the tree. You can discuss any baseline, so I will discuss this -otherwise very common, perhaps most used- method.

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  2. Harald

    Thank you for this excellent review!

    I almost completely agree with the conclusions, but an average of good and less good methods doesn't mean much to me. On one point I see it a little differently:
    The fact that three CBS forecasts (including the one from 2019, from the pre-corona period) are very close to the 10-year exponential trend line - where that trend line is also more logical and has a better correlation with the data - indicates to me that the choice to work with it is really preferable.
    And with that, the excess mortality for that group in 2024 was still more than 20%.

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  3. Hans Verwaart

    I understand your point Bonne regarding your 1st paragraph. The 40-50 group should not experience any effects of corona. and the subsequent interventions (measures, vaccinations). If there had been significant corona mortality, it will have been very low in 2023 and 2024, around 10. That cannot explain the excess mortality.

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  4. Jan van der Zanden

    I notice 2 things, without an explanation.
    1. What is the reason that in 2023 the mortality of that group is suddenly much lower again?
    2. Is there any insight into the (additional) causes of death of all the higher mortality of this group of ladies? By the way, it mainly concerns women before the meno-break, so in the childbearing age. Would that give the beginning of an explanation?

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    1. Anton Theunissen

      Yes, that 2023 is striking, no idea... But group 40-50 is beginning menopause (usually 45-55 but also earlier or later) so there are new complaints for the women concerned.

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  5. Jan van der Zanden

    Anton, can you take a look at this too? I don't understand it. I come up with lower mortality for women aged 40-50 years if I take the raw figures from CBS. Did I do something terribly stupid?
    http://disq.us/p/32gxwzv

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    1. Anton Theunissen

      I have informed Hans, in case he does not receive any notifications. Doesn't it have to do with the fact that you share on the entire population? In groups with low mortality rates, there is no effect. But I'm happy to leave this to Hans, he did the math.

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      1. Jan van der Zanden

        No, it is not. I plotted the mortality per 40 million. Of course, the absolute numbers are much smaller than in the elderly. But relatively it is only not correct if the cohorts 40 – 50 have changed very substantially in the number of inhabitants compared to the total number of inhabitants. I don't expect that to have shifted much..... Migrants have mainly arrived who are a little younger than 40. So that would make the relative mortality slightly lower. On the other hand, previous migrants have now reached 40 -50. Boomers were already past that age. So seems like a very small effect to me, but I could be wrong.

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    2. Hans Verwaart

      The crux is the downward trend in mortality in the period 2010-2019. The trend is downward. If it hadn't been for corona and all the interventions, that downward trend would have continued.
      I have put an answer with a picture on Maurice's site.
      http://disq.us/p/32gzsqq

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