Takeaways from the Meester/Jacobs study on excess mortality and vaccinations

by Anton Theunissen | 26 Aug 2024, 21:08

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  1. Klaas Weaver

    Beautiful, readable summary of an extensive work that is about to become well known!

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  2. C

    Thanks again! Is it an idea to send this summary to the members of the cabinet, the House of Representatives, the Senate and to the parliamentary inquiry into the corona committee! Minister Agema is too personally involved medically because of her chronic illness, which makes it difficult for her, I think. Down with the ostrich politics!

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  3. Cees Mul

    Good, Anton.
    Must admit that I also lost my concentration at a certain moment. It confirms what "we" already think. And "we" are not only of course, although it seems if you follow the MSM. Misschien zitten (in willekeurige volgorde) Meester & Jacobs, Herman Stijgstra, Cees vd Bos, Robert Malone, Dennis Rancourt, Steve Kirsch, professor Fenton, John Campbell, de mensen achter Panda Uncut, John Ioanidis, Jay Bhattacharya, Jan Bonte, Maurice de Hond, Jona Walk, Maarten Fornerod, Aseem Malhotra, Dick Bij, Pierre Capel, Theo Schetters, BLCKBX, DNW etc. all wrong. I have not seen any substantive refutation yet. Only insults and personal attacks. The graph at the top speaks volumes. We don't have to make it more complicated.
    Where is the substantive discussion? Maybe a good start seen at Blckbx DWIV with as guest chairman of the NVJ (Dutch Association for Journalism). They disagreed, but in a polite way.

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  4. Cees Mul

    Goeie uitzending van Blckbx, Anton! Eigen parochie natuurlijk, maar wie weet, groeit die.

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  5. Jan van der Zanden

    This Summary draws Fermere conclusions than M&J.
    In my opinion, the only tenable conclusions are:
    1. There is increased mortality in a cohort if that cohort has just been jabbed.
    2. This indicates mortality due to the vaccine, and of course in the vaccinated
    3. the HVE in combination with errors in the data ensures that the data shows just the opposite, namely excess mortality in the unvaccinated and under-mortality in vaccinated people. With a very large HVE, the data can even be good! (Anne Laning rightly argued that).
    4. We already know for sure that the CIMS is incomplete due to 3% privacy refusers and by deleting records of people who were already deceased at the time of registration.
    5. Because the data are incorrect and the HVE is difficult to determine, it is very difficult to determine the VE and mortality of the vaccine.
    6. What is certain is that the VE and mortality have been presented far too rosily in previous CBS/RIVM/NIVEL reports on the basis of these data. But how much, we don't know. And it will be very difficult to determine that exactly. Normally, you do that with an RTC with placebo. But in hindsight, I think you can hardly solve this. You would then have to check the files of the deceased and check why they were not vaccinated. Maybe with a large enough sample? Then you can determine the influence of the HVE and with correct (i.e. corrected) other data you can then calculate the VE and the mortality of the vaccine. In short: that will be very difficult.

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    1. Anton Theunissen

      Thanks Jan, very pure. We're not that far apart. Because the scientific uncertainty was used as a counter-argument in the report, I formulated it more bluntly. It may not be so explicit in M/J at times, but I think it's all defensible with the report in hand.

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  6. Jan van der Zanden

    Dear Anton,

    For the sake of completeness, I would like to say this, in order to avoid any misunderstanding. By writing down my thoughts, I also organize them more and more sharply. I think this correctly describes the current state of affairs.

    H.2 is decent. But the fact that excess mortality will fade away in 1.5 years is debatable. Anne Laning argues (in my opinion on reasonable grounds) that in view of the time of death and lost QALYs, the under-mortality should be spread over approximately 5 years. So then the expected under-mortality is less and so is the measured excess mortality.
    H.3. Investigations by pharmaceutical companies are notoriously rattling....
    H.4. The text is tendentiously written down by M&J. They should have adhered to data and analyzes and conclusions and should not write about hassle around publications. That only arouses allergy and suspicions… ..
    But the findings (rattling data and rattling definitions/methods) are correct. There is no good evidence for the VE and mortality of vaccines. Because no RCTs have been performed. And the one who had started got sick halfway through (placebos still vaccinated).

    H.5. Your first paragraph is also challengable, because a strong HvE cannot make a good breakdown of the effects of the puncture on whether or not vaccinated people. That is the crux of the criticism of Anne Laning. And he is really right about that. So although M&J are aware of the HVE, they themselves do not keep it sufficiently into account which crazy results this can lead (and Maurice is also teeth there). That laning is a vaccine protagonist, and partly blind, but he is not stupid! And therefore often rightly criticizes the vaccine critics. And is, rightly, allergic to tendentious language use of M&J. But he believes again too lightly positive publications about vaccines. M&J should work with Laning!
    The only thing you can conclude is that every round of vaccinations of a cohort with increased mortality coincides in that cohort, without (per cohort selective infections with Corona) being able to explain this. This leaves vaccination as the most plausible explanation.

    H.6. Of these, only the following remains:
    a. the CIMS database is polluted with too few people with status "Vaccinated".
    b. because of the HVE (and missing "Vaccinated people") you cannot make any meaningful statement about the subgroups vaccinated or not.
    c. Both artificially matched and crude mortality data show that there is increased mortality in that cohort after a round of vaccinations of a cohort. Breakdown by vaccinated status is impossible due to errors in the data and the unknown value of the HVE. Because there is pollution and increased mortality, the only conclusion you can draw is that reports by CBS/RIVM/NIVEL make overly optimistic statements about low mortality due to vaccines and about the high VE. But how much too optimistic that is, cannot be determined with the current data. And probably not even without further primary data collection of the reason for not vaccinating people (very) (shortly) before their death.

    In your description of H.6, this is the only "hard": " The small increases in overall mortality of different birth year groups move synchronously with the respective vaccination rounds. ". Incidentally, this is a very crucial finding!
    But all your statements about breakdown in subgroups are not sustainable; And not all those of M&J are also sustainable.

    H.7. generically, the findings are correct. But statements about breakdowns are highly questionable.

    H.8 In my opinion, it is difficult to judge in terms of scientificity. I don't think it's the strongest chapter....

    H.9.
    The only tenable conclusions:
    1. There is damage to vaccination due to synchronous occurrence of increased mortality and vaccination rounds in corresponding cohorts; But we don't know how big it is A.G.V. the HVE and errors in the data.
    2. The VE reported by CBS/RIVM/NIVEL is certainly too high due to errors in the data. But it could be that the VE is positive.
    3. Further investigation may show whether the damage, depending on the age/risk group, is smaller than the VE profit. And therefore vaccination for certain groups is useful. But that will not be easy; Not because of the data, because that seems to be repaired; But because of the HVE. The HvE can only be switched off in an RCT. Afterwards it might be possible by finding out through a sample what the reasons were not to vaccinate people in their last weeks/months and on what scale it happened. So very difficult… ..

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    1. c

      Dear people, When looking up information about vaccinations in nursing homes, I came across the following: National Institute for Public Health and the Environment rivm.nl Work Instruction Corona Vaccination Institutions with medical service. Received at the same time as flu shot. Vaccinations for children aged 6 months – 4 years and 5 years – 11 years Comirnaty Omicron JN.1 Register subject with text about source system etc. different e-mail addresses including cimsbeheer@ rivm.nl. Sometimes it says private above. Among other things, at page updates and registration. I also came across lci.rivm. And I thought I knew a lot, but it's much worse. They even vaccinate primary vaccination series in children under 5 years of age and then the booster. Folks, stay away from pediatricians with your kids! If there is no other option, find someone who wants to help you without those jabs! Anton, can anyone figure this out? I've used a space here and there so as not to put some who would like to read along on a track... Thanks in advance!

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