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  1. Ed Sonneveld

    Wonderful article! Thank you, Anton, for this hard work.

    One question: isn't it about the 'prevented deaths' (due to corona), compared to the 'caused excess mortality' BY THE VACCINE?

    Why then is there talk (scenario G) of All CAUSE MORTALITY (ACM) ? That's not what it's about, is it?

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    1. Anton

      Hello Ed,
      a vaccine can have a good VE against a disease but a bad VE against ACM. This means that more vaccinated people die from other causes (side effects) than patients are saved from covid death.
      Have I explained that so clearly?

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  2. Ed Sonneveld

    When we talk about ACM, I am reminded of your article of July 16: Update vax/unvax mortality in England Jan-May 2022.

    A little about this article :
    I think that analysis is wonderful – and that of course also applies to the previous articles that cover the period from Jan. 2021 – because it is a pure comparison by ACM of vaccinated and unvaccinated people, so only the data as they are known. (I also read the caveat at the beginning of the article)
    So no fuss about what exactly is a corona death, so no question of what fraction of the excess mortality comes from the vaccine, no fuss about VE, etc. No, purely a comparison by ACM of vaccinated and unvaccinated people.
    And what revealing results, if you don't know Jan. 2021 next to May 2022!

    This was a sidestep for a while.
    In the above article, you (and the other authors) have chosen a completely different approach.
    It is now about VE, and about which fraction of the excess mortality is due to the vaccine.
    Then it's not about All Cause Mortality, is it?

    As you define yourself in the article of July 16 :
    'In All Cause Mortality, no distinction is made between causes of death, so it concerns both Covid and non-Covid deaths'.

    I understand your reaction above :
    'That means that more vaccinated people die from other causes (side effects) than patients are saved from covid death'.

    But dying from other causes (side effects) is something different than All Cause Mortality, isn't it?

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    1. Anton

      If as many people die from side effects of the vaccine as Covid patients are saved, then ACM will remain the same.

      If more people are saved from Covid death by the vaccine than die from side effects, then the ACM will decrease (and vice versa, of course).

      It gets even more complicated: if you only save people from Covid who then die anyway, but from a different cause, then the ACM will simply stay up to standard and you can wonder how useful vaccinating the entire population is.

      Something similar applies to the disease: if Covid is considered the cause of death in people who would otherwise have succumbed to another cause, that has no influence on ACM. Even then, vaccination makes no sense to let fewer people die.

      In this way, the absence of other causes of death is also included in the basic assumptions.

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