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  1. Hans

    Once read as an assignment motto in the front of a textbook:

    " A book is like a mirror: if an ass looks in, no apostle will look out"

    ( after : Georg Cristoph Lichtenberg)

    Mutatis mutandis, this also applies to the above article and the possible reaction of Members of Parliament

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    1. c

      Last Sunday I heard during the broadcast of Marianne and Maurice that Pieter Omtzigt has a solid list of questions for the excess mortality debate on Thursday. 🤞 Here and there a few in politics who want to change something, it was said hopefully and substantiated with some examples. Once, someone close to me wanted to move one of the largest ships in the world a meter and was thwarted considerably. They wanted to change everything, the quay, the moorings, etc., so as not to admit that the ship could move a meter. The ship has moved up. There was no thank you, but the procedure was recorded. Persistence wins! So thank you again for this article. Has anyone noticed how mortality is normalized in the msm? And also diseases such as young women with cancer. (These women do not (yet) count in the figures above...). Or a headline above an article "my boyfriend has a brain tumor: if only I had arranged a safety net sooner" "Duo euthanasia is romantic..." . Cringe-worthy when people are peddling all kinds of pathetic anecdotes in politics that suit them. Mrs. Tielen has managed to call a mother of a child who died from a vaccine 'an incident' to her face, but supports, among others, Mrs. Tielen. Paulusma her anecdotes for the cameras in the House of Representatives. I may watch tomorrow's debate later...

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    1. Ward van Koperen

      And then there are people who stubbornly and with dry eyes claim that the side effects of mRNA Gene Therapy do not actually exist.

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  3. Wim de Rijk

    In the debate, the elephant in the room will be carefully avoided. I don't doubt that for a moment. Because we know what the problem is: it is the aftermath of postponed care.
    Supplemented by the unvaccinated and those who did not get the boosters.
    No matter how much other evidence is presented, the experts have spoken thus.
    In other words, I expect nothing more from our administrators than what has been shouted all along.
    And it only gets more embarrassing....

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    1. John Berrevoets

      Genuine?

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  4. John Berrevoets

    Vaccinazis

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  5. Ger

    The plan worked out perfectly, the population has to decrease according to Bill and so it decreases. Women between 30 and 40 seem to have had a priority, the desire to have children is also increasingly later.

    And a debate is not going to stop anything, especially not by minkukels like our government, if it is not a vaccination then it will be food or pesticides with which they will further stimulate excess mortality.
    You would think that road deaths are also a means, but they want to combat that with higher fines, so that revenue model is not affected.

    You wonder if Government is not a synonym for Thief and Criminal.
    After all, the regulations cause a lot of misery again and again and solve nothing, children taken away from their parents, suicide attempts are the order of the day among victims of the government.

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  6. Willem

    Good article, deserves all the attention and has my attention.

    This Dutch publication (very recently published) has done a similar analysis, see https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11742297/

    Analysis plan in brief: using CBS microdata (individual data) to look at excess mortality in the years 2020-2021 compared to 2019 (with a sensitivity analysis using the period 2015-2019 as a baseline). Then all kinds of stratified analyses on age and gender (similar to the above), but also on immigration background, urbanization, income (socioeconomic status) and corrections in a multivariable model (on age, gender, urbanization, etc, where relevant).

    What I get out of it is this: see table 2. Excess mortality is present for all ages, with the exception of the 0-19 year olds (not vaccinated and hardly admitted to hospitals, except possibly for the neonatal period, but there no hospital protocols other than 'normal')). These are small numbers (cave), but suggest, as also mentioned above, that mortality in all age groups would 'normally' continue to decline in 2020 and 2021, but 'covid'.

    Excess mortality is a problem in 2020 (relatively speaking) among the elderly (hospital protocols that did not work, see my covid pulmonary embolism story at BVNL), and in 2021 (relatively speaking) among young people (introduction of mRNA elixirs).

    Stratification by age, gender, immigration background, urbanization, income shows that excess mortality is present in all these groups (minus the 0-19 year olds). There is a possible outlier: first-degree immigrants. I wouldn't pay much attention to that myself. It is a (relatively) small group, it does not explain the total excess mortality and.... it tends towards racism.

    Auteurs zien dit anders, gaan de diepte in en melden (ik citeer): ‘Regarding immigrants’ countries of origin, people who originated from Indonesia and Morocco had a significantly higher excess mortality. For immigrants from Suriname, the Dutch Caribbean, and Turkey, estimates higher than 10% excess mortality were observed as well. Immigrants from western Europe experienced excess mortality similar to the native Dutch population, which also held true for immigrants from central and eastern Europe.’

    En verderop: ‘Here, we show that the excess mortality was highest for first-generation immigrants (after full adjustment, including age and sex) but that the second-generation immigrants’ excess mortality during COVID-19 was largely similar to that of native Dutch. We also show that the high excess mortality among first-generation immigrants cannot be explained by their generally lower household income and that excess mortality was highest among people with their origin in Indonesia, Morocco, Turkey, Suriname, and the Dutch Caribbean islands.’

    En hier hun uiteindelijke conclusie: ‘Future research will focus further on the identification of vulnerable groups in the population which were affected the most by the COVID-19 pandemic. Future research will focus further on the identification of vulnerable groups in the population which were affected the most by the COVID-19 pandemic. It should also uncover the mechanisms that explain why certain groups, such as first-generation immigrants from particular countries of origin or lower-income individuals, had significantly higher risks of excess mortality during the pandemic.’

    I think it is really a deeply tragic conclusion with which authors, certainly unintentionally, let their real finding (there was excess mortality in the Netherlands in the 20s and 21s in all walks of life) be snowed under by means of an in-depth analysis about the Turks, the Moroccans, the Antilleans, and thus let the nonsense of the sentence prevail up to their conclusions.

    I also think it's an all-around dangerous conclusion, for the reason that you can't/shouldn't expect politicians to be able to interpret a scientific piece scientifically, but they can make it political, especially by emphasizing ... first-degree immigrants who come from outside Europe and who, according to the scientific authors of this piece, should be given FULL attention.

    We'll see tomorrow...

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    1. c

      Working in healthcare in the early 80s, I was almost fired because of the observation that there is a difference in medicine (including medication) in microbiome, among other things. Instead of helping people, I would be a racist and look down on people with a lower income etc. Now it may be said, written and cast in a model, but clearly not with good intentions or no good intentions come of it. Everyone has equal human rights, but we cannot be medically lumped together. Progressive insight is a rarity, unfortunately. First all children had to go to the (goat) farm to prevent allergies (hygiene model) and now farms are a thorn in many people's eyes/lungs... I recommend "Asterix and Obelix in the house where you go crazy". Comes from the story of the tests. That ends well for Asterix and Obelix.

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    2. Anton Theunissen

      Wasn't that known all along? Especially obese immigrants. Vitamin D deficiency due to dark skin color. Maybe also something with a different gut biome. I think it would be good to map that out. Of course, it is only a partial aspect.

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      1. c

        Yes, that's right, it became known to Jinek when ICU doctor Peter van der Voort spoke past his mouth and Diederik Gommers confirmed it in layman's terms. Before that, we already knew from the field what cost people their jobs when they talked about it. A professor from the wur also spoke in a talk show about vit.D. He probably had a very tough conversation with his employer because after that there was no longer any conversation possible with the man... What terrible times with all that suffering caused. Take care of yourself!

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  7. Miranda

    And to think that the coronavirus was almost certainly made in a gain-of-function laboratory, by the same (kind of) scientists who make the vaccines for Big Pharma.
    In the hands of the military, intelligence services, ignorant politicians and scientists with conflicts of interest, a very deadly mixture has been created that has been poured out over the world.
    It still makes me nauseous.
    Yet I still don't believe it was a deliberate conspiracy. I think it's a chain reaction of stupidities, lies, cover-ups, street cleaning and opportunism.
    Still, I am very happy that there are still courageous people like the writers of this blog, who keep trying to get the truth out. I hope that eventually there will be a worldwide ban on making and experimenting with laboratory viruses. If we hadn't had GOF laboratories, we probably wouldn't have had a corona crisis at all.
    Thank you very much for this analysis.

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  8. Theo

    The "gigantic" excess mortality has only one cause: The erroneous baseline.
    In the last 3 years, mortality has been the same as in the previous 3 years. The excess mortality is becoming extreme due to the sharply declining baseline.
    With this extrapolation, no women between the ages of 30 and 50 should die in 30 years.....

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    1. Anton Theunissen

      That is also stated at the end of the article. There is certainly a curve in the line but it is very slow. To see that properly, you have to look at a much longer term.
      It also makes a difference in the few years we are talking about here, but even if you do your best with a 'friendlier' baseline: the percentage remains unacceptably high.
      By the way, you also end up in a discussion about how exactly that curve should run, how long do you take the term, on which year do you start and end. Some want to exclude for years, others don't... But you really don't correct this away.

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      1. Harald

        How exactly that curve should run is actually not that important*, such extrapolation is not an exact science, just as the linear extrapolation is not an exact science.

        So slowly, 5 years after the start of the pandemic (and the beginning of the extrapolation), there is no escaping it – and that has indeed already been expressed with "Perhaps then the percentage excess mortality will not be 30% but 25 or even 20%."
        By actually drawing such lines and clearly displaying them, that word "perhaps" can be omitted, and unnecessary criticism of such excellent articles can be avoided.

        *I am curious about good suggestions for what kind of line functions seem most suitable for another 5 years more extrapolation (from 2000 or 2005?). And maybe that has already been discussed in the literature?

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        1. Anton Theunissen

          Theo, I just received a response by email that you probably wanted to post here. You write:

          "The mortality rates are not significantly higher. So no 20, or 25%, but no excess mortality!

          The curve, or line, is all-important and at least debatable.
          The line was chosen to get the desired outcomes.

          Exactly the method that Herman Steigstra uses."

          This method is explained in detail in the articles referred to. You will have to be a bit better prepared.
          I would say: show me. Make a plausible and substantiated curve that will lie on the red points. Maybe it's reassuring. (Note that this method must also apply to the other cohorts.)

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          1. Theo

            We shouldn't make it more difficult than it is.
            The mortality rates of the last few years are comparable to the years before (even with those in the corona period). They are even significantly lower than those of 10 years ago.
            So no reason for the fuss made in this article solely on the basis of the chosen baseline.
            Again, look at the mortality rates!

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            1. Harald

              This same point has already been discussed in recent comments (including the article of 7 February); Life expectancy increased steadily until the pandemic and no doubt that is related to what is discussed here.
              At the beginning of the pandemic, CBS indicated that we could expect life expectancies to bounce back to that previous trend, see again here:
              https://opendata.cbs.nl/#/CBS/nl/dataset/84883NED/line?ts=1733052911887
              There was apparently (and logically) no reason to expect that the general increase in life expectancy would suddenly stop, coincidentally just during the pandemic.

              Now I don't know how the relationship between the CBS life expectancy curve and the mortality probabilities is mathematically, but I assume that a dead straight extrapolation does not fit well with that slightly curving CBS line and that perhaps something can be done with it.

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            2. Harald

              Sorry mistake: I meant in the article of February 5 (The art of predicting).

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  9. Bert Oosterhout

    I share the doubts about policy and vaccines, but this article does not convince me. First, you use a reference time of 10 years (2010 – 2019), and then extrapolate 5 years (2024) from there. I once did some calculations on this, and it turned out that it is possible to extrapolate for 1 or 2 years, but after that the results can diverge sharply. Second, you use a linear regression. There is no change from an increasing to a decreasing trend and v.v. In my calculations (reference period 2000-2019) with a 2nd degree polynomial, the expectation and reality were much closer to each other until 2023. But even in this case the limit for extrapolation now seems to have been reached...

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  10. Bert Oosterhout

    I share the distrust of the policy and the vaccines, but this article does not convince me. First, the 10-year reference period (2010-2019) is too short to extrapolate another 5 years – after 2 or 3 years, the results become too unreliable. Secondly, the linear regression is too crude, because it cannot describe a reversal from an upward trend to a downward trend and vv.
    In my own calculations, I had a reference period of 20 years (2000 – 2019) and a 2nd degree polynomial. The expectation and the outcome were always much closer to each other than with Steigstra et al. But even for me, the limit of extrapolation seems to have been reached after 5 years.

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    1. Willem

      I've been too lazy to check it out exactly (sorry), but it is a fact that the mortality rate for all ages has been decreasing in the Netherlands for years until the magical year 2020.

      The group that came into contact with 'covid protocols in the hospital' the least/last was the youth (because the youth hardly suffered from serious illness/covid diagnosis requiring hospitalization. On the other hand, the youth were only last and partly not injected with the mRNA elixir (at the end of 2021 if I remember correctly)

      You would therefore expect that the mortality risk among young people would continue to decrease in 2020 and 2021 and that is also the case according to this publication referring to CBS data

      https://www.nji.nl/cijfers/overlijden-kind#:~:text=Ondanks%20de%20stijging%20in%202022,1992%20tot%201.061%20in%202022.

      It was not until 2022 that a kink in mortality probability was also seen among young people, which, in my opinion, can be fully explained by measures, vaxx and psychological suffering (tgv measures).

      I quote: 'Compared to 2021, the total number of deceased children and young people aged 0 to 20 has increased: from 1,001 in 2021 to 1,061 in 2022. The largest increase was seen among young people aged 15 to 20 years. The total number of young people who died rose from 179 in 2021 to 248 in 2022. In particular, the number of suicides in this age group has risen sharply from 42 young people in 2021 to 65 young people in 2022.
      Despite the increase in 2022, there has been a decrease in child mortality over the past 30 years. The number of children who die has decreased from 2,261 in 1992 to 1,061 in 2022. In the first year of life, the number of children who died fell from 1,235 in 1992 to 540 in 2022 (Statistics Netherlands, 2024).'

      In other words and (admittedly) with a twist (because small numbers and what applies to the youth also applies to the elderly), I conclude that it is entirely plausible that the 'crooked line' from 2020 is not natural but has been induced by humans: on the one hand by introducing Covid protocols, on the other hand by vaccines.

      Of course, this does not prove anything, but it is true that based on all the data taken together, the burden of proof that measures and vaccinations have saved lives lies with those who have always made this claim: doctors, scientists and policymakers. That seems to me to be a fair conclusion. Yet it remains silent...

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    2. Anton Theunissen

      I think you have a point, Bert, although we still think that the differences are not very meaningful. It is of course true that we once started with this linear calculation, but the reference gap is slowly getting so large that we may (also) have to look at a polynomial to avoid these kinds of objections. Theo also hinted at it in comments above. But you have calculated: what percentages do you end up with, for women aged 40-50?

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    3. Anton Theunissen

      I have done my best to make a polynomial that minimizes the excess mortality in 2024 and still looks plausible compared to the 10 previous years. Winter 2018-2019 had 2,900 excess mortality, let's assume that this group did not play a role in this.

      Even then, with this creative line, we are still left (for this group) with 5 consecutive excess mortality years and 15% excess mortality for the last red dot. That is not right. So the point of this article remains valid as far as I'm concerned.

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      1. Miranda

        After the corona mortality, there should have been undermortality.
        It is very worrying that in the years after the mass vaccination campaign, there has still not been a period of undermortality.

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  11. Bert Oosterhout

    For the period 2000 – 2019, I have only mapped the relative mortality for the group of women 40 – 49 years,
    Made a 2nd degree polynomial of it, and extrapolated for the years 2020 to 2023. I don't have any mortality details for 2024.

    To my own surprise, I come to the same conclusion as you:
    Expressed as (actual mortality)/(expected mortality), reduced to a percentage, I get:
    2020 excess mortality 9.5 %
    2021 excess mortality 13.2 %
    2022 excess mortality 17.6 %
    2023 excess mortality 7.6 %
    This is therefore about the extent to which mortality deviates from mortality as predicted on the basis of the polynomial.
    It is important to know that within the reference years, the deviation varies between -3.2% and + 5%.
    (Results subject to change – this was only an hour of calculation, without deep checking)

    So there does indeed seem to be something going on with this subgroup.

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