I was trying to reply to a LinkedIn comment within the 1250-letter limit, when the post was deleted in its entirety on LinkedIn. I saw that on another screen in a comment on my @infopinie account where I had shared the post. Every professional group is allowed to talk about professional dilemmas on LinkedIn, ask for solutions or offer them – except doctors. You could see that article as a technical consideration of a general practitioner. It is too scandalous for words that vaccinations are not allowed to be considered. I still had LinkedIn open on my screen. Below is the article in full, together with Daniël Tuijnman's question and my reply to it.
In the meantime, this article is also on his own blog.
A GP's dilemma: do I invite my patients for the umpteenth COVID shot?
A few days ago, Minister Kuipers announced that general practitioners will call on certain groups of people who are seen as vulnerable for a new shot against COVID-19. As general practitioners, we were not informed about this ourselves.
Am I going to cooperate in inviting people for these shots? To this end, the first question is whether that shot is safe for people who are already vulnerable. The dispute about the unexplained excess mortality that the Netherlands currently has has not yet raged out. Independent scientists who want to calculate this have asked for the data, but do not receive it. And that while science is based on questioning each other critically and having your measurements openly tested. So as a GP you have to make your own decision. Many of my colleagues think I'm far too critical and tell me that I have to trust what the government and RIVM say. That doesn't work for me, because I am responsible myself, so I like to think along every now and then, especially when it comes to the safety of my patients. But maybe I'm too stubborn and I need to improve my life.
Let me see how that works.
When I look at the information from the government and RIVM in recent years, which many colleagues say I should simply rely on, I conclude that we have received the following information.
- It may take a few weeks, but then everything will be back to normal. Unfortunately, that took a little longer.
- The vaccines have been 'thoroughly researched'. But the research was carried out from start to finish by the manufacturer itself. It has a staggering track record of fraud, deception and deception and kept its internal security report secret.
- There will be no vaccination requirement. But those who were not vaccinated had to fear for their jobs shortly afterwards, were no longer allowed to travel or participate in social life. Under penalty of exclusion, you could get tested – but with a test that could not show infection.
- Vaccination has no side effects. That turned out to be a bit more nuanced. They cause, among other things: However, there is a decrease in fertility in men. It recovers after a few months. But what about after a booster or two or three? No one knows.
- Vaccination protects against COVID-19. This turned out to be a miscalculation. You are, even after 4 injections, still susceptible.
- Vaccination gives long-term immunity against COVID-19. This turned out to be based on a misunderstanding. After just a few months, your immune system has decreased considerably. In that respect, you are better off with natural defenses.
- "You do it for someone else": vaccination protects against transmission of COVID-19. Unfortunately, on closer inspection, this was a mistake. After the shot, you can still transmit the virus.
- Vaccination protects against long covid. This comment turned out to be a bit premature: there is no protection against long covid.
In my opinion, critical doctors should regularly evaluate their vision on the basis of practice. Anyone who does that cannot help but conclude that a policy of trusting the government and RIVM was certainly not a good strategy.
I remember a politician who believed that doctors who spread disinformation should be expelled from their profession. But of course I don't.
Therefore, I cannot, should not and will not tell my patients that the vaccine is safe, protects against infection, transmission, long covid or that it has no side effects.
And let's just be honest: I don't think any doctor can do that.
So much for Jan Vingerhoets.
In an attempt to deny that OMT and/or government would ever have made such statements, they asked for sources...
As a result of that question, a typical wappie-troll discussion arose in which no one goes into the content. It is soon only about how they react to each other and who exactly is entitled to what in terms of questions and answers. Normally I don't get involved in that, but I had shared the post on Facebook and Twitter and I didn't find the question that difficult to answer either, so go ahead... Just trying to respond to content (against my better judgment, by the way. Good thing that post has been removed 😉 :)
Now that I reread it, the OMT may not be seen as an "official" mouthpiece of government or RIVM positions. Well. As if we don't have a state broadcaster and other media that act as messengers to propagate the official government position.
Has anyone ever been accused of disinformation because the vaccines were portrayed too rosy? What does that say about the koesr that the government sails? There are not links to everything with "evidence". Evidence has been erased or is being concealed. The WOB docs lift a corner of the veil.
Daniel Tuijnman ✅️ Well, for 1, 2, 5, 6 and 7 there are certainly (sometimes repeated) statements from OMT members, HdJonge, Rutte, Dissel, Gommers, etc. The other points have been immediately embraced by the government and thus sanctioned claims by pharmaceutical companies about effectiveness and safety. You will find more about that more here.
1. Fast operation... Dancing at Jansen, do you really need a link from that?
Just came across a video of Gommers so I'll add it. If I see more links I will collect them here.
Talked about the effect of the vaccination campaign in general Gommers about "a few months". In that respect, Vingerhoets was wrong with his "few weeks" – but I hope that's not the level at which we have to squabble.
2. Safety of vaccines: Lareb continued to report that it saw no connection with thrombosis
3. "There will be no vaccination requirement". Literally from HdJonge. See video on the right.
4. H de Jonge in the House of Representatives on possible side effects: Subversive disinformation. Images (on several occasions) from the Chamber I suppose familiar. Even parliamentary questions were treated as disinformation.
5. Vaccination protects against COVID-19. For 90%, 70%, then against getting sick, then sick but not so bad, against ICU, then against death – but only for a few months. I don't know a link where the government lists these blunders, for that you would have to list respective interviews with ex-OMT members. I'm thinking of Bonte, Karoly, Gommers, Bruijning etc. – and I'm not going to say that OMT is not RIVM or government. But to refresh the memory, a video in which it all passes by.
6. "The only way out" does that sound like "a sop that might last a few months"? Because that's all it was. (Links galore from the "the only way out", that is. Not of openly acknowledging that it was misleading information.)
7. "You're doing it for someone else" Do you seriously need a link to that? Then you are really looking for something else, a formal error or something.
8. Long Covid: The government is now looking at whether vaccination will put disrupted immune systems back on track. Not only does it show that it is assumed to help, but above all they ignore the possibility that the vaccines could also (partly) cause Long Covid. Which just goes to show that the "safe", "thoroughly researched" etc. is simply not correct. People know nothing, don't want to know anything and only make desired assumptions.
Group think, yes-men, tunnel vision, incompetent elite, unscientific junkers... It is sad with the people who should have had to rely on our trust. That trust has now been lost. We no longer obey just like that, but yes, what cannot be done willingly, must be done willingly.
Mariëlla Kunst – Mascha Sponselee – Betty Jansen – Katja Oostergetel – Daniël Tuijnman – Barry Wildhagen – Bert Bosman – Stef Smulders
https://daniel-debunkt.nl/covid-vaccin/de-acht-dikke-duimen-van-jan-vingerhoets/
It would have been nice if you had informed me that you were responding to my question. I note that you have only come up with a source for one point (3), and then only from the first sentence, not from all the things that Vingerhoets makes up around it.
For the rest, I refer you to my blog.
I have read it and will read your update as well.
There is no point in arguing with those people. That someone can seriously pretend that all those statements/images that have come from the government are fantasy, as if we were all not there. It's maddening.
I fear so too, Djaja. Anyone who needs links for this and is not satisfied with, for example, references to verifiable events on the initiative of the government, is not familiar with the matter or simply experiences reality very differently.
In order to come to a discussion, you will have to have a certain common ground. Speaking the same language helps, for example, but in this case a jointly experienced recent history is also essential. That reality has to match up to a certain level, and it clearly does not.
I don't feel called upon to 'synchronize' the facts, I also think that attempts to do so will have little effect. If the references mentioned are not enough to follow the train of thought, we will continue to disagree.
But if anyone wants to take the trouble to scrape together all those links, news items and radio and talk show fragments from OMT members, MPs, Ministers, key influencers... Let us know. But then the objection is probably again: that is not a "Government". Headlines will probably not count either, while that was an important communication channel of the government in the first two years.
Denying undeniable events is difficult to tackle.
That links are indeed needed is evident from statement 1 alone, if you look at the post as Vingerhoets has put it on his own site. He was referring to something completely different from what Anton interpreted.
Maddening indeed. It is also extremely curious. You wonder, what should you think of someone like Daniel Tuijnman? With 17 million Dutch people – not to mention the rest of the world – you have experienced a major crisis for two years. There was no news broadcast or talk show or again all those things were repeated ad nauseam.
disgusting commercials were broadcast, in which children were held guilty for their grandfather in the ICU.
To be honest, I can hardly believe in the good faith of such a person. Of course he knows it all. and he laughs his ass off at us, that we are angry about it. You just wonder, why does someone act like that?
But maybe it's different after all. Is it possibly a form of cognitive dissonance?
Suppose I had taken those injections myself in a fit of madness, and I now find out that I shouldn't have done that. How would I react now. I think that many people who are slowly starting to realize what is really going on, must still get quite tangled up with themselves. You have let yourself be fooled, and there is no way back, those can't get out. What is the human mind going to do then?
I think it's kind of a flight forward, and somewhere, deep down, I understand that.
It can't be true.
And to think that 12.5 million compatriots also have to go through that mental process. What are we going to experience!
The more you beat around the bush, the more unbelievable you become. I do wonder what to do with people like you.
Read my blog post again and do your best to refute what I write. Please come up with sources, because apparently you can't.
https://daniel-debunkt.nl/covid-vaccin/de-acht-dikke-duimen-van-jan-vingerhoets/
@Anton, otherwise take a look at Geenstijl, its archives are easily searchable, and those guys have many hyperlinks to evidence from NPO, newspaper articles, etc. in the relevant articles from the past regarding Covid.
With the help of this, many links should be able to be reconstructed.
Good tip, thanks, but I really lack the time...
Anton, ik ga kijken of ik wellicht wat bij elkaar kan harken….
Tijd ook hier het meest schaarse goed.