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  1. c

    “Flu shot is the solution” 😉 oh wait, it is and has been administered en masse for years and years. The corona shot does not prevent corona, but it would prevent serious illness and death from Covid. Marketing has been that way for a while now. (I won't mention the terrible mistakes from before again). The studies that MK mentions in the Volkskrant show a short effect to prevent serious illness and death and could be a quick conclusion, more than 5 months per year. I also read that corona shows difficult behavior by not having a fixed pattern like the flu (winter). So why is the injection taking place in the autumn? Injecting at least twice a year seems to me, doesn't it? MK always uses some phrases that he comes back to later if he turns out to be wrong: "I already wrote that here and here and was already critical there and there." Furthermore, strong words such as "tsunami" of his right. The article above clearly shows the cause of “something else”, but people are happily tinkering with it even with traffic fatalities (are they unwell or the lane assist or both?), “fortunately” the corona shot also helps here…

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  2. J.G.M. van der Zanden

    How long will it take before it is officially admitted that something is really wrong from 2021……..

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    1. René L.T.A. Klunder

      Very little by little it is released. Partly because a number of foreign countries also do that. They cannot be left behind. But it happens so slowly that it doesn't really hit the average citizen. Very slowly because if everything is thrown on the table at once, chaos will break out and people will quite rightly flock to The Hague to dethrone the government. Those hypocrites knew what was going on and allowed it to happen. The MPs who knew from the start and called for a stop to everything are still being completely demonized with lies and backbiting. The more these real representatives of the people put the facts on the table and the closer the election moment comes, the more demonization takes its course. We see it happen every time.

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      1. Gerard vd Weijden

        Is it not likely that “popular” deferred care and “something else” contribute significantly to the significant trend break? Because wasn't it Eline vd Broek, for example, who already pointed out postponed care at that time, partly due to market forces in healthcare and chronically longer waiting lists.
        In any case, more research will take a long time in my opinion; the risk of damage, shame and disgrace (for civil servants and politicians) is great and difficult or impossible to bear. But good article again Anton, keep the pressure on.

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  3. Willem

    When Covid came to the country, not only did the flu disappear, but ALL diseases associated with problems in and around the chest disappeared. Pulmonary embolism, myocardial infarction, pneumonia, emphysema, etc.

    Weird how does this happen?
    Well, if you as a doctor are too lazy to even take an ECG of people who came to the emergency room with all the signs of myocardial infarction/covid... That hypothesis can be investigated with a piece of cake.

    But no, we won't investigate that anyway. We simply say that it is -perhaps- due to the cleaner air, as some professional explains in some newspaper.

    https://archive.ph/o5NxB

    And in the academy we keep our mouths shut about it. It has remained that way to this day!

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  4. Cees Mul

    I wonder how all this is measured. Very few people clearly die from a specific cause. If you are unlucky enough to hit a tree on your head, or are pushed into the wrong lane by lane assist, it is clear. But flu deaths usually have some comorbidities, it's not a binary.

    I don't know how flu or Covid-19 is diagnosed, but if it is diagnosed with a PCR test then I don't have much confidence. For example, is there a specific PCR test to determine Covid and a specific PCR test to determine flu? If you carry out Covid tests en masse because it is assumed that there is a Covid wave, then the PCR test will only find Covid cases. And vice versa of course. If there is a specific flu PCR test and it is used en masse on people with respiratory infections, then you will find flu.

    So: if you look for flu you will find flu, if you look for Covid you will find Covid. This is under the assumption that the PCR test is used, which as we know is not reliable (I am expressing myself cautiously). I think it is relevant to understand how the source data was created. Who decides on what grounds which cause of death is entered on a death form?

    Suppose a PCR test worked, then you would have to test people with a respiratory infection for both flu and Covid to determine which of the two was the cause.

    The “something else” category remains completely intact, and that is of course the problem. The excess mortality. The flu/covid distribution is unbelievable, as you also indicate. Add Covid and flu together and then you know how many people are suffering from a respiratory disease according to the death forms.

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    1. c

      Counted flu by general practitioners after anamnesis and clinical (physical) examination. This is how a flu epidemic is diagnosed. Additional tests (often in hospital can be confirmatory). That went completely wrong with the figures (PCR tests) during the corona period. The PCR test with all its carelessness should have led to every doctor anyway. Then there are the cause of death forms. Family members are not allowed to read the final conclusion. In my opinion, these are multiple recipes for 'finding what you want to find' and 'not looking where you should look'. A lot of money is usually thrown at the wrong intentions (not always bad ones) and with the help of the mainstream media, it is completely covered up, if it weren't for the fact that there are people who keep stirring things up. We'll see!

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      1. Cees Mul

        Thanks, C. I think your answer confirms my suspicions. All respiratory infections are similar in symptoms. If I have the flu or Covid or whatever, it's in my upper respiratory tract. Sinuses clogged, etc. For my wife it always manifests itself in the lower respiratory tract, coughing, a lot of coughing. So this is always the case. Completely independent of which type of flu. The body determines the symptoms, not an external factor. That's how I see it now. Also in December 2020, when Covid was detected via PCR. I was 5 years younger then and a lot more naive….

        So if you write in the newspapers that a flu epidemic is coming and people go to the doctor with a respiratory disease, the diagnosis will be flu. After all, that rules.

        I think it is relevant because it indicates that this is also driven by the media. About 2 months ago there was a warning about a serious flu wave! Panic everywhere.

        To what extent are those sewage measurements valid? Can they distinguish between the various conditions, or do they make the same assumptions?

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        1. c

          (c, excuus voor de late plaatsing: dit comment was om een of andere reden in de Trash terecht gekomen, tussen honderden russische spamberichten. Je andere comments zijn wel geplaatst dus ten overvloede alsnog deze, voor de volledigheid.
          Anton.)

          Collega was vorige week ziek, griep. Terug op de zaak zei hij “Morgen kom ik later want ik ga met mijn vrouw naar onze huisarts. Ze heeft nu ook griep” “Vervelend. Ernstiger dan jij?” Een logische vraag in mijn ogen. “Nee, hetzelfde maar ze heeft een hele goede band met onze huisarts en ik ook”… De vraag die in mijn hoofd opkwam maar niet uitsprak is “Zouden deze griepgevallen nu voor 1 of 2 tellen?” Rioolwatermetingen en hoe deze worden uitgevoerd hadden mijn interesse al voor de coronaperiode. Ook door een vroegere studiegenoot van een van mijn kinderen die specialist is geworden op dit gebied. Zo ken ik wel meer mensen dus ook iemand die op een laboratorium werkt in een door de overheid aangewezen ziekenhuis die in de coronaperiode onderzoek naar “de varianten” moest doen. Mede door hun verhalen ben ik alle vertrouwen in het hedendaagse onderzoek verloren. Vandaar dat ik geen uitspraken meer doe over wat er gemeten wordt (werd) in het rioolwater. De coronametingen of het vermelden daarvan zijn inmiddels gestopt heb ik vernomen. Het herstellen van vertrouwen in de meeste wetenschappers moet nog beginnen.

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        2. Bob Marlies

          mensen gaan niet dood aan griep. Maar aan een longonsteking. Pneumonia. Een bacterie. Of als ze pech hebben en in het ziekenhuis terecht komen aan sepsis.
          Verminderde weerstand (tekort aan vit D), slechte lucht, veel vieze deeltjes inademen en hoppa je kan er klok op gelijk zetten: griepepidemie. De PCR test is inderdaad de crux in het verhaal. DE CT-waarden. Je kan van elk stukje eiwit een Covid-verhaal maken. Ook mensen zonder symptomen testten positief en werden terwijl ze zelf niet ziek werden toch als ‘gevaarlijk’ bestempeld. Het ging er in als koek. Asymptomatische besmettingen? Hoe dan? Hoe is dat aangetoond? Nou niet. Gewoon wat roepen en als mensen Covid krijgen en bij niemand in de buurt zijn geweest die ziek was. nou dan moet het wel van iemand komen die (nog) geen symptomen had. Dogma’s zijn hardnekkig. Zeker als een verdienmodel aankleeft. Wat als luchtweginfecties niet ontstaan door virussen? Maar door slechte omgevingsomstandigheden? Wat als griep niet besmettelijk is? Want hoe is dat precies onderzocht? De Rosenau experimenten (1918!) laten zien dat het niet besmettelijk is. Maar ja. Het wordt er in geramd en niemand die het zich meer afvraagt of het wel waar is allemaal.

          https://www.ggarchives.com/Influenza/TheRosenauExperiment-1918-1919.html

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  5. John Berrevoets

    “Corona keeps us on our toes. From 2020 to 2022, corona replaced flu”

    They have now also started to believe in fairy tales with virus variants.

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    1. Anton Theunissen

      I also had trouble with this, but there is no hard data to deny it. It is Herman's article, he seeks connection with the official data to strengthen his basic arguments. That's how I see it.
      I personally think that the measurements and registrations are too unreliable for fine-grained analyses. But I'm glad Herman perseveres and tries anyway.

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      1. John Berrevoets

        Other,

        Thanks for your comment.

        There are also no hard data to acknowledge it.

        The problem with people like Herman, no matter how great the work he does, is that he remains trusting of a corrupt government.

        Then you get these crooked arguments to make the story work in his head.

        While the story is not correct, has never been correct and will never be correct.

        Greeting

        Johnny

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  6. René Klunder

    Laten we de wetenschappers die nog in actieve dienst zijn van een organisatie en de gepensioneerden (emeritus) even apart kwalificeren. De meeste zogenaamde wetenschappers die aan de linkse praattafels zitten in de media zijn geselecteerd op hun opvattingen en uitlatingen. Volgen ze niet het overheidsnarratief dan komen ze niet aan tafel of worden door de msm niet geïnterviewd dus zijn die minder te vertrouwen in het verhaal. Dat onderscheid maak ik in ieder geval wel. Diegenen die de alternatieve mediakanalen volgt weten wie ik bedoel.

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