About the Death Spiral – Michaéla Schippers, John Ioannidis and Matthias Luijks

by Anton Theunissen | 19 apr 2025, 10:04

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  1. Willem

    I think it's a nice list, but I don't know if it is. Is the lack of transparency not a consequence of the fact that (government) authorities have to pretend to be more than what they are? (Rhetorical question ...)

    And is it not that in what the flowering period is called, transparency can be shown because there is really progress (and therefore the pretension of progress is not needed)? (Another rhetorical question)

    And is it not that if the inventions are on, there is no progress anymore? (Alert a rhetorical question).

    Take the gasoline engine: very clever that cars, planes and rockets could be built with it. But it doesn't go beyond that. But what if society expects that, to speak with The Beatles, "It’s getting better all the tihme?" If that is the belief that is hung by society, then you must give Make Believe, as a (government) body. - And so the stories in society come that "we" have been to the moon (unfortunately NASA has all the evidence that we have ever been there destroyed). And so on, and so on, and so on.

    Waiting is not more transparency.
    We are waiting for new inventions that make things that were not possible before now. With the transparency, it will also be good as an epiphenoma. Because why would you want to hide something that actually gives progress? (Another rhetorical question).

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  2. Cees Mul

    The downfall of the evening country? Civilizations have a limited shelf life. At a certain moment they get an administrative water head, the bureaucracy increases, the population is becoming lazy, scared, decadent, and lets his dirty affairs refurbished by rental soldiers. I have the works of Spengler in the bookcase, but I have to admit that I didn't get through it. However, the theory is clear. Each civilization continues a cycle that corresponds to the description in your article. But what is it like to live in a culture of decay? Or do we wise ourselves? Is that perhaps something that every generation experiences? Just a matter of "used to be everything better, young friend"?

    Making a connection with the Muizen experiment from Calhoun is tempting. Also have a look at the testosterone -falling testosterone content in men: https://hrtdoctorsgroup.com/history-testosterone-levels/
    I have added a random link. There are many more.
    How did that go with those mice? Presumably they also developed physical changes.

    We are in the middle of it ourselves, and also have a limited scope. The question is whether we can learn from history. The average intelligence is decreasing (or is that also a fairy tale, how do you measure that?). "Smart" Phones, "Smart" Cars etc. take over the thinking. And then we are not even talking about AI. I wonder if we can compare our time with other periods in history. The current exponential growth of humanity has never been shown before (doubling in 50 years). The way in which food is renovated and produced, the complete dependence on electricity, internet, transport etc. has no precedent.

    Can we all take it? Evolutionary we are no different than people who lived a few thousand years ago. Society should solve our problems. Diseases must be banned and preferably prevent. If something is wrong, we will come to a doctor or service provider. They then prescribe pills again. Or we go into therapy.

    Bit like the mice of Calhoun? It is tempting to go along with that comparison. It is no more than a hypothesis. Perhaps there was a core of truth in the observation in "A Hitchhikers Guide Through the Galaxy" where it turned out that the mice determined the results of the experiments, and the people had their desired conclusions draw.

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  3. Miranda

    Justice has been replaced by rules and control (compliance).
    Moral has been replaced by moralism.
    The human size has been replaced by
    Globalism.
    Subsequently, work is replaced by AI and robots; And citizens are reduced to mouth -dead consumers who just have to adapt. The graaiers are getting richer and the population increasingly poorer.

    We, the citizens, do not resist. We find it acceptable because it all falls within the rules of the law. Moreover, the system is scientifically legitimized by the neo-liberal economic paradigm: it leads to high prosperity, distributed crooked and with a huge debt mountain, but by so-called "trickle-down processes" everyone benefits from it, at least that the neo-liberal economists claim. And yes, there is enough "scientific consensus".

    Ultimately, the neo -liberal democratic system - with its opportunistic grazing culture - will perish with its own system forces. And that can sometimes go faster than we think.

    About the moral decline of neo -liberal capitalism and the (economic) system forces that lead to the implosion of this system, I published a book last year (conspiracy or opportunism?). I wrote this in response to the violation of fundamental rights during the coronacrisis and the establishment of NSC by Pieter Omtzigt.
    Very unfortunate that Pieter's good intentions have completely failed. Although his perfectionist personality has not done the matter well, the failure of that party is, in my opinion, mainly the result of the disused political system and structural opposition by the opportunistic public-private conflict of interest. There is no listening to each other. Words are deliberately twisted and there is no willingness to cooperate.

    Can we turn the tide? The Marxist Revolution was averted at the time by adjusting the system on time. Whether we can prevent the implosion of capitalism again, I wonder. In any case, this requires a change in mentality. And there must be sincerely listened to each other.

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