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  1. Rudolf Trepels

    It's probably a diabolical dilemma for CBS. By adjusting the expected mortality, you implicitly admit that the mortality from corona is many times higher than the excess mortality: corona has then caused little extra mortality. My prediction is therefore that the expected mortality for 2024 will be considerably increased.

    Think the second sentence should be vcn instead of corona?

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    1. Anton Theunissen

      No, right? It's not about vaccination. But it is true that the excess mortality from vaccination is also becoming less dramatic. If CBS were to raise its mortality expectation, they would give the impression that they wanted to cover up that mortality. At the earliest, in 5 or 10 years, we will only be able to assess to what extent such an increase was justified. Unless the much-requested death dates are released, then we'll know much sooner.

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  2. Harry

    Very good analysis, thank you!

    A request, you write: "In the year 2023, we will also see an increase in mortality in both groups." Is that correct?
    The excess mortality in these groups decreased again in 2022, if I see it correctly. And with the 10-year trend line, the total excess mortality is about zero this year. If it's not right, please correct it. And if it's true, you've probably already made those graphs, would you like to post them?

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    1. Bonne Clock

      I am referring to the increase in mortality on the basis of cbs expectations.

      0-65 are at +600, and 65-80 are at +2000.

      These are hefty numbers relative to 10-year trend. At 80+ you saw fluctuations, mainly due to the severity of the flu. You hardly see these fluctuations at 0-65 and 65-80. But since corona/vaccination/measures, you can see that 0-65 and 65-80 have abandoned this trend and score quite moderately. Still is.

      https://twitter.com/BonneKlok/status/1679794166300114944?t=GTeSSJ_j-MzK2ntKmFqM9Q&s=19

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  3. Henk Knoester

    A startling piece of work. Congratulations. The excess mortality mystery is now being looked at from a completely different angle. Doesn't the conclusions mean that "the mortality from corona is many times lower than the excess mortality" instead of higher? Isn't this the 'more mortality' compared to the too low CBS expectations? If I have understood correctly, more realistic mortality expectations lead to a reduction in the number of corona victims, but also a reduction in the reported excess mortality in recent years.

    If you look at the actual mortality rates (80+), there are sometimes years in between with little mortality (2014, 2019); much lower than the trend. Presumably these are years with little flu. In the following years (e.g. 2015), slightly more mortality than the trend makes perfect sense. From this point of view, you expect more mortality in 2020 anyway, more than the trend. That does not change the actual number of corona victims, but it does partly explain why there were many. The impact of corona was therefore also less significant according to this additional consideration.

    I don't know how the mortality projections are made in other (Western) countries, but there is a chance that 2019 has been a mild mortality year for the elderly in several countries. Then it could be that corona figures AND excess mortality rates are also exaggerated elsewhere.

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    1. Anton Theunissen

      The point is indeed more that corona mortality does not go down in this way (after all, it is not dependent on more mortality) but that corona does not cause exorbitant excess mortality either. So the new diagnosis/cause of death is different, but those people would have died differently. It might not even have been noticed that much ("a nasty flu this year, especially for the elderly"). See also the graphs by Herman Steigstra.

      You can then ask yourself what the big problem is with corona and why, for example, vaccinations are still being carried out. Quite apart from the question of where the panic actually came from. As you may know, I suspect the Chinese and the virologists of that, who thought they could keep their problem under a bell jar. After that, pharma was eager to participate because in their business model, every pandemic is an opportunity. Public servants were also frightened and at the same time saw opportunities to strengthen their grip on society. They liked to act as strict protectors.

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  4. Michael Sirk

    It is good that cbs' predictions are also being looked at. I don't think you took into account the size of that group when calculating the different age categories and divided the number of deaths in the group by the total population. Is that correct?
    In the case of shifts between the different groups, this can have consequences with the expectation.
    If you try to filter out the annual flu waves from your data by only looking at the summer weeks, you can see that CBS has not done so badly yet.
    However, for those summer weeks you do see a very clear excess mortality that deviates from the trend.

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  5. mike_s

    It is good that cbs' predictions are also being looked at. I don't think you took into account the size of that group when calculating the size of the different age categories and divided the number of deaths in the group by the total population. Is that correct?
    In the case of shifts between the different groups, this can have consequences with the expectation.
    If you try to filter out the annual flu waves from your data by only looking at the summer weeks, you can see that CBS has not done so badly yet.
    However, for those summer weeks you do see a very clear excess mortality that deviates from the trend.

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    1. Anton Theunissen

      Bonne has done it carefully, I think with the age cohorts as well. He's best off answering it himself.

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    2. Bonne

      I certainly took into account the different group sizes. Every 5 years cohorts are quite transparent (download in excel) at eurostat, and after that it was a matter of adding up.

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  6. LN

    "My prediction is therefore that the expected mortality for 2024 will be significantly increased."

    And indeed, RIVM has done so in any case approx. 2 weeks ago.
    I am still curious about the 80- and certainly 65- excess mortality.

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