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  1. Leo

    Another good piece from Anton. A bit of the same story in other words, but that is also a good thing because then you think again with possibly a different angle.

    I do have a comment, Corona and also the Flu are not things that normally belong to life. They are persistent recurrent diseases that cost victims. It is better to be able to cope better with these types of diseases and not just take them for granted every year.

    And so it would be to the government's credit to take real measures with regard to health and ventilation in public transport and schools, for example. Or making healthy food cheaper, education, healthier living, etc.

    But they don't and so we think it's normal that there are 8,000 and sometimes double the number of deaths from a flu every year. On the highway there are around 700 every year and we find that terrible and that may cost billions to counteract. Or we remove thousands of trees because a person was killed by a branch on the road?

    No, a disease, whatever it may be, is not something you have to take for granted, or learn to live with. Learning to live with a disability is not done with something that you can prevent by the right behavior.
    And I don't mean a lockdown or other oppressions that actually have a completely different goal.

    That's how I look at it, of course.
    But I get the message, if the government isn't capable, so your disability, then you have to learn to live with it. (or think further when you choose them)

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    1. Anton

      Agree. It's not one or the other either. Of course, you have to fight disease. Ventilation would make a big difference. But within the limits of what is reasonable. There are standards for it, both in qaly's and budgetaryly. They have all been thrown out the window.
      There will always be vulnerable people who do not survive a virus wave. Zero disease is not an option. That is why I feel more for "living with" than for "suffering from the fight against".

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  2. Mike_S

    The last graph suggests that there is no excess mortality in the age group of 0-65 years. This contradicts the figures from Statistics Netherlands. Over the period 2020 to 2022, I come to an additional mortality of;
    2020 ————857
    2021 ———-2088
    2022WK38—1013
    —————–3958 additional mortality

    method of calculation;
    Statistics Netherlands publishes the mortality figures per week every week.
    https://www.cbs.nl/-/media/...

    Table 3 shows the deaths per week in column D 0-50 years and in column E 50-65 years.
    Table 6 shows the expected number of deaths in the age group of 0-65 years in column S per week .

    For example;
    week————0-50—50-65–ref.aant.—-increased mortality
    2022wk34——120—–328——372————- 76

    The sum of the increase and decrease mortality over the whole year comes to the following figures;
    2020 ————857
    2021 ———-2088
    2022WK38—1013
    —————–3958 additional mortality

    What do you think I'm doing wrong and how do you get your grades?

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    1. Anton

      It is UNEXPLAINED excess mortality. The Corona mortality has therefore been removed, in accordance with the CBS registrations. Could that be it?

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  3. Mike_S

    So we agree on increased mortality that has not been corrected for corona? A few questions remain. How do you know the corona mortality figures for August, September and October? forecast based on RIVM figures?
    How do we know if someone has died from corona or from corona?

    Isn't it more objective to measure the health of the population by looking at uncorrected excess mortality?

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    1. Anton

      Hi Mike_S, no figures have been corrected. It is the total (uncorrected) excess mortality minus the (uncorrected) excess mortality declared by corona. Then you have the "unexplained" more / excess mortality.

      The last few months have indeed been prognosis based on rivm taking into account the multiplication facor that applied in recent weeks.

      On /with corona, cbs keeps that difference against the chest, you should ask them that. I would very much like to know that too.

      If you prefer to look at the total excess mortality, that is of course allowed (you can also look at the total mortality). I don't really see why that's more objective. If you do that, you get the response "yes but corona" and then you are back to square one. The 'health of the population', which you mention, is a lot more complicated, both physically and mentally: illness, quality of life, having perspective, experiencing freedom, etc. I don't know if excess mortality 1:1 translates to health. Maybe a lot of healthy people will die suddenly; I don't know.

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  4. Mike_S

    It's not about right or wrong. You show that there is excess mortality, even if you subtract the covid-19 mortality from the excess mortality. What I want to show is that despite vaccine, excess mortality remains at the same level. CBS is creative in assigning the causes of death of the deceased.

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    1. Anton

      No, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I thought? But that's fine, then you add up the values again, right? Or you can use the figures directly from CBS. That's what we've done in Excess mortality breaks all records.

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  5. Mike_S

    Yes, that is an enlightened and frightening article. Excess mortality is only increasing. But there is no need to investigate this in politics.

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