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  1. Fred

    Still too much guesswork in the analysis. You (we, the Dutch) don't get real figures, everything has been covered up by "our" government. Consequence for the reader: no more vaccinations, even if the RIVM advises this.

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    1. Anton Theunissen

      Glad to see that the guesswork stems from murky numbers. I also understand that you call it 'guesswork', although I see it as 'defensible hypothesis'. 😉

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  2. Jan Tuinstra

    It would be nice to keep the number of nonsense graphs to a minimum, Anton. No valid conclusion can be drawn from corrupted data.
    Because we have known for a long time that the vaccines do not work and cause more harm than benefit, we focus on what we do know: deaths and (possibly) reasons for hospitalization.
    Causes of death are unreliable because of definitional changes and wishful thinking: Before the "Corona" jab and after "prefer something else".
    By the way, I don't hear anyone anymore about the diagnostic unreliability of the PCR test....

    Wat mij betreft is de analyse die Wouter Aukema losliet op de CBS-cijfers supergaaf: https://x.com/waukema/status/1763244509880545591.
    Deze is over sterfte tot 51 jaar: https://x.com/waukema/status/1786144788133114308

    Ook die op bijwerkingen en prescriptiegedrag uit EUdraVigilance; een video:
    https://rumble.com/v4st9ab-true-horrors-of-covid-vaccine-harm-data-exposed.html

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  3. Jan Tuinstra

    It would be nice to keep the number of nonsense graphs to a minimum, Anton. No valid conclusion can be drawn from corrupted data.

    Because we have known for a long time that the vaccines do not work and cause more harm than benefit, we focus on what we do know: deaths and (possibly) reasons for hospitalization.
    Causes of death are unreliable because of definitional changes and wishful thinking: Before the "Corona" jab and after "prefer something else".
    By the way, I don't hear anyone anymore about the diagnostic unreliability of the PCR test....

    As far as I'm concerned, the analysis that Wouter Aukema unleashed on the CBS figures is super cool. And also those on
    mortality up to 51 years of age.
    Also those on side effects and prescribing behavior from EUdraVigilance in a video on Rumble.
    Unfortunately I can't upload the links here, but I'm happy to send them to you.

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    1. c

      But with those nonsense graphs it becomes clear that they have messed things up and are still doing it. In my environment I notice how happy people are with newspaper headlines about the death of unvaccinated people, even though they don't know anyone and there is a lot of trouble with those who have been vaccinated, so that even anniversaries are brought forward under the guise of "now they are still there". Again, it's fear and especially for himself. Meanwhile, there are people who spend every spare minute trying to get to the bottom of it. I am eternally grateful!

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  4. Willem

    Interesting analysis, thanks!

    The fact that from the same data you can get an approximately 100-fold increased risk of mortality in the unvaccinated (compared to vaccinated people) and a 10-fold increased risk of mortality in vaccinated people (compared to unvaccinated) is a strong indication that the data are incomplete. It's like those pictures where you can see both a young woman and an old woman or (for my favorite picture) both a rabbit and a duck (the journalistic 'canard') (otherwise Google Jastrow Rabbit duck for this picture).

    The solution to the problem of ambiguous data from which you can draw two opposite conclusions is simple: collect more data. A flying rabbit is really a duck and a jumping duck is actually a rabbit!

    It is therefore somewhat puzzling why there is no call from 'science' for more data in the excess mortality debate. Or maybe it's not so puzzling when you realize that the conclusion regarding excess mortality was already predetermined (it's due to unvaccinated people) at science TM. Then all you have to do is find confirmation in the data (that the excess mortality is a result of being unvaccinated) and I think that's the reason why Nivel overlooked the errors/impossibilities within the data.

    Now we have to wait for the rectification by Nivel and Keulemans et al. Which might take a while... the evil (in interpreting an ambiguous picture as if it were a rabbit) has of course been done a long time ago, and happened earlier as the whole Covid saga was a period in which pictures were played with that have a double meaning.

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  5. Lydia

    “Of all persons in the study, 2.6% only had vaccinations in the GP data,” Nivel writes in her withdrawn report. In the current report ( https://nivel.nl/sites/default/files/bestanden/1004607_1.pdf ) that sentence no longer occurs.

    Virusvaria: “[GPs] had to catch up on their 63% deficit in the course of 2021. Apparently, 2.6% were left out.”

    There is no good reason to assume that the 2.6% has anything to do with a backlog. Nivel does not do this in its current report: "In our study, the group of unvaccinated people could not be distinguished from the group of people who were vaccinated, but who did not give permission for their data to be included in the CIMS register. [...] This concerns about 7% of those vaccinated by the GGD in the basic series. We call this group 'unregistered'. We combined data from CIMS with vaccination data from GP files. This way we have reduced this percentage to 4.5%. bring back.”

    Nivel seems to assume here that the percentage of people vaccinated by their GP who have not given permission for admission to CIMS is the same as that for those vaccinated by the GGD (7%). Assuming that 2.6% is a rounded 2.55%, we get the percentage of 7 – 2.55 = 4.5 that Nivel mentions.

    Perhaps Nivel knows that it is only a matter of no consent because general practitioners must have recorded this somewhere. However, people who were not registered in CIMS by their GP due to death shortly after vaccination also appear to belong to the 2.6% group.

    Nivel: “The share of the group 'unregistered' within the group 'unvaccinated/unregistered' is estimated at a quarter […].” The percentage of visibly vaccinated people of the population studied was 84.1 and that of the “unvaccinated/unregistered” was 15.9. Said share is then (0.045 * 0.841 / 0.955) / 0.159 = 0.249; indeed a quarter.

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    1. Herman Steigstra

      With a probability bordering on certainty, this concerns the group of people who die in the period between vaccination and the moment when it was "the turn of registration". They do not enter CIMS because the law prevents that. I would like to emphasize that this does not suggest a relationship between vaccination and death. This primarily concerns deaths that are therefore counted as unvaccinated. On the other hand, this also camouflages vaccination as a possible cause of death. So you cannot draw any conclusions about that. It does ensure that there is a false protection against Covid-19 as a cause of death.

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      1. Lydia

        Thanks for the response Herman. Glad someone took note of my comment.

        Herman: “With a probability bordering on certainty, this concerns the group of people who die in the period between vaccination and the moment when registration was 'due'. They are not included in CIMS, because the law prevents that.”

        In addition to those who are not registered in CIMS because they did not want to be, i.e. the unregistered who were injected by the GGD (4.5% of the study population) and the unregistered who were injected by the GP (2.6%); together 7%.

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        1. Herman Steigstra

          It doesn't work that way. You can't add them up. SUppose that in the first month after vaccination NO ONE is registered due to backlog. ANYONE who dies in that month is recorded as unvaccinated. The vaccine therefore appears to provide 100% protection against death from any cause. Even traffic accidents.
          That is also what NIVEL reports: in the first 3 months the risk of death for unvaccinated people is up to 10X higher. Prof. Ronald Meester and Bram Bakker had a more than 1000X increased risk of death in the first few days. This is a very strong indication of how that works. That 7% is just a diversion!
          Read e.g https://steig.nl/2024/11/nivel-voor-dummies/

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          1. Lydia

            That 7% is Nivel's estimate, I should have been clearer about that. My concern was that the other unregistered people had been tested by the GGD. Whatever the percentage (of the research population) of this actually is, you can add it to that 2.6% to obtain the percentage of unregistered.

            I understand that the results of the Nivel study are idiotic, I was concerned with the meaning of that 2.6%. Nivel claims that this only concerns people who did not want to be included in CIMS, but I had already written in my original response that "[p]ersons who were not registered in CIMS due to death shortly after vaccination by their GP, however, also appear to belong to the 2.6% group."

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            1. Herman Steigstra

              We know that 7%. That is the % of ALL vaccinated people who did not end up in CIMS. But we are interested in the % of vaccinated people who die and are in CIMS. That is very different. That is much less than one percent in the first days after vaccination. So 99.9% of vaccinated deaths are administratively unvaccinated. That % will decrease over time to the actual % unvaccinated and that is say 10% plus that 7% and that will also decrease to that 10% at the end of 2021 after catching up. And if general practitioners say that only a few percent are in their own administration but not in CIMS, then these are probably the vaccinated people who have since died. But these are explicitly NOT the people who died as a result of vaccination, but simply died administratively more often than the vaccinated.

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              1. Lydia

                "We know that 7%. That is the % of ALL vaccinated people who did not end up in CIMS.[…] That % decreases over time to the actual % unvaccinated and that is say 10% plus that 7% and that also drops to that 10% at the end of 2021 after catching up."

                This would mean that the claim by Nivel, among others, that approximately 7% of those injected do not want to be registered in CIMS is incorrect; that in reality that percentage is negligible.

                “And if general practitioners say that only a few percent are in their own administration but not in CIMS, then these are probably the vaccinated people who have since died.”

                The percentage comes from Nivel and was compared to the total research group. What you would like to know is what the percentage is compared to the number of injections given by general practitioners. By “fallen by the wayside,” you apparently meant deceased before attempting to register in CIMS.

                The “catch up” also makes me wonder what happened to those deceased who were not allowed to be admitted to CIMS.

                But these are explicitly NOT the people who died as a result of vaccination, but simply died administratively more often than the vaccinated [passed as unvaccinated?].”

                A bit lame to so explicitly debunk a stupidity that I have not suggested anywhere.

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                1. Herman Steigstra

                  I'm going to answer this long answer briefly:
                  * Anyone who dies in the first week after vaccination is counted with 99% certainty as unvaccinated
                  * If you die a few months after vaccination, the risk has increased considerably, but is still far from 100%
                  * The “catch up” only concerns people who have NOT died in the meantime.
                  * Research is always about people who DID die

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