We now know that almost everything about corona is fabled together. But how men and women have sat at conference tables - paid for from our tax money - without lifting a leg in the face of all the suffering that took place before their eyes, it is horrifying. Indescribable. @Leon1969 does it anyway, on X. Time and time again he brings out the black truth. Read below the summary of some minutes, report of how the guardians of our health take care of us. Or rather, for our system. Or even better: for their system.
(link to the tweet at the bottom)
After I saw a document over the weekend that explained the organizational structure around the program in more detail (https://open.minvws.nl/dossier/VWS-WOO/3755967-1060180-pdo/document/VWS-WOO-08b-1370981...), ging ik gericht naar één specifiek onderdeel op zoek: de werkgroep WP7 Monitoring & Evaluatie. Long post. Important. Trust me. Really long.
On December 18, 2020 I find a first report of a meeting (https://open.minvws.nl/dossier/VWS-WOO/3395155-1032354-PDO/document/VWS-WOO-08-990906...). In that meeting, the Dutch strategy of a central register is undermined with a simple remark. "In Engeland is men gewoon begonnen, zonder centraal IT-systeem." is the comment.
It is in stark contrast to the earlier remarks made in 2020, where, according to Lareb (i.c. Agnes Kant), that central register should be inevitable and Our only hope was promoted. And the minister (in particular Hugo de Jonge) in September 2020 "de enige keuze" (see https://x.com/Leon1969/status/1829396617289429382...). In England, they had just started. They did have choices there.
The report states that unreliable data has effects on the calculation of vaccine effectiveness. Hoe gaan we daarmee om? is de vraag. Collega's van EPI (over EPI zie https://x.com/Leon1969/status/1839211449211629943...) would like to connect to this topic, is the comment.
Wash up December 18 positive about the central register, a month later, on the January 14, 2021 (https://open.minvws.nl/dossier/VWS-WOO/3477674-1040721-pdo/document/VWS-WOO-08-1043200...), enthusiasm has already waned somewhat. "Nog geen cijfers in CIMS kunnen downloaden" is the observation, "Het zit op allerlei aspecten vast, zoals juridisch en technisch. De vele systemen die worden gebruikt door verpleeghuizen en huisartsen are not linkable to CIMS. That has Direct consequences for interpreting voor de aantallen allergische reacties."
Public health was endangered by poor information, is what I read then. In January 2021 that was clear and it was discussed.
As an alternative, they had thought of guessing the numbers, of course, which January 12, 2021 (https://open.minvws.nl/dossier/VWS-WOO/3477674-1040721-pdo/document/VWS-WOO-08-1094260...) has already been mentioned by a member of the Working Group "Omdat we nog geen input uit registratiesystemen hebben we try to vaccination coverage per target group for the time being to estimate obv the approximate size of the van de verschillende doelgroepen."
And during the survey, another striking question was introduced: "Pfizer zou ook transmissie voorkomen" is the comment. Very remarkable, because two days earlier (see https://x.com/Leon1969/status/1837469279165321450...) has already been noted by the EU's scientific advisors "No data at present on whether the vaccine prevents transmission."
Anyway. The train that was running and we had to dooorrrr.
On January 20, 2021 a new meeting (https://open.minvws.nl/dossier/VWS-WOO/3477674-1040721-pdo/document/VWS-WOO-08-1042628...). It has been observed that the "registratiedata vaccinatie bewoners instellingen nog geen route naar ons toe hebben op korte termijn." And the question from a week earlier about Pfizer is answered "Nu nog onbekend of vaccinatie beschermt tegen transmissie."
The next day they sit together again. And that report, from January 21, 2021 (https://open.minvws.nl/dossier/VWS-WOO/3477674-1040721-pdo/document/VWS-WOO-08-1043086...), begins with a salient remark "Sterfgevallen in een verzorgingshuis Compared to the figures from other countries, this is not an extra high mortality rate onder deze zeer kwetsbare bewoners."
Remarkable, because the day before It was found that the registration data of these institutions was not available. Rara police cap, on the basis of what data was this comment posted? Furthermore, it is observed that everyone is inundated with questions and that the workload is enormous and things are left undone.
A week later, on January 28, 2021, a new report (https://open.minvws.nl/dossier/VWS-WOO/3478791-1040904-pdo/document/VWS-WOO-08-1115051...).
CIMS shall be appointed separately and first: "Downloaden van cijfers uit andere systemen is nog steeds niet mogelijk. De op één na beste optie lijkt een schatting maken o.b.v. de uitgereden vaccins (naar GGD en elders en die laatste dan weer uitsplitsen). VWS zet druk achter keiharde cijfers ophalen ivm het VWS Corona-dashboard. The importance of retrieving the data is obvious to everyone." Ow, and yesterday a lady of 85+ died after vaccination.
On to February 3, 2021. This report (https://open.minvws.nl/dossier/VWS-WOO/3478791-1040904-pdo/document/VWS-WOO-08-1115057...) wordt gesproken over het beter monitoren van allergische reacties (zie boven de opmerking bij 14 januari ...) er wordt gemeld that deaths are to be expected in nursing homes, that young people after the 2nd vaccination show more side effects And that people who receive their first vaccine after a covid infection also suffer from more side effects. There is data on 57,000 people in CIMS, but there are Lots of error messages on the dates. At that time, at least 343,881 vaccinations had already been given.
A week later, on February 10, 2021 (https://open.minvws.nl/dossier/VWS-WOO/3478791-1040904-pdo/document/VWS-WOO-08-1114984...), Willem-Alexander visited the @RIVM, suprise surprise! The figures are still not available automatically. And because of the different vaccines, manual collection is becoming increasingly difficult. But yes, we have to do something, so it is written down "For monitoring, we rely on the numbers we receive." No numbers, no monitoring.
Verder wordt ingegaan op incidenten, oftewel dode mensen enzo. 1 persoon overleed na een epileptische aanval. 15 mensen hadden zo'n aanval. Het Lareb had in die week (op de 8ste februari) 15 deaths published. But in the working group, they knew that at that moment Already 26 deaths had been reported. In other words, Lareb reported lower figures than they communicated internally. And it is found that there are There had been very few reports from the institutions about side effects in the vulnerable elderly group. Have institutions there deliberately kept their jaws shut? It looks like it.
A day later, February 11, 2021 (https://open.minvws.nl/dossier/VWS-WOO/3478791-1040904-pdo/document/VWS-WOO-08-1114593...) another consultation. About the South African variant of the virus: vaccine efficacy only 22%. That is bad for people's motivation to get vaccinated (figure 1)! And people are a bit more positive about the central registration, because it is going a little better.
On 18 February 2021 (https://open.minvws.nl/dossier/VWS-WOO/3478791-1040904-pdo/document/VWS-WOO-08-1114582...) reports that the estimates from EPI are much higher than the data in CIMS. A difference of 130,000 is reported. And it's about the protection against transmission. "Over het algemeen kan worden gesteld dat we nog te weinig weten over transmissie. Bekend is wel dat het vaccin effect krijgt na 10 dagen. Dus mogen we concluderen, dat we te laat zijn geweest met vaccineren als er een uitbraak is."
It is not clear to me what logical steps the official concerned is taking here. Whether the vaccine works against transmission is not clear, so if there is an outbreak, we are too late with vaccination. Huh? How does that twist work?
People were asked a lot of questions about fertility fears, it was reported. "Wie kan worden geraadpleegd voor het weerleggen van desinformatie?" is the official's response. At that time, of course, nothing was known about the effects of vaccination on fertility. And yet, such questions were labeled as disinformation.
All kinds of reports are missing from the WOO documents. That's super inconvenient. The following report is by March 11, 2021 (https://open.minvws.nl/dossier/VWS-WOO/3661708-1052463-pdo/document/VWS-WOO-08-1227888...). That report shall the Health Council's response to the vaccination of children has not been made public (see Figure 2). Because that has International repercussions. Hmmm.
There is a clear understanding of CIMS. "CIMS is selectively incomplete; f.i. the data of residents in long term care homes. Other issue: % of the people who give consent by GGD is dropping below 95%." The information about vulnerable elderly people was not there and was not forthcoming. Other than that, we were below 95% (see https://x.com/Leon1969/status/1829457755482038370/photo/1...). And institutions did not register any serious side effects with the Lareb (see above).
And when asked about the vaccination rate in those long-term care facilities, they were clear: "A discussed with B as we do not have any reliable data in CIMS, it is a reasonable answer to answer that it is not possible to give a very good limit of vaccination data."
Yay! Vaccine safety anyone? Somebody? No?
On March 18, 2021 (https://open.minvws.nl/dossier/VWS-WOO/3661708-1052463-pdo/document/VWS-WOO-08-1269343...) reality finally dawns on us in all its real intensity. "Inmiddels lopen we vast met alle aannames en schattingen die we doen om per doelgroep onderscheid te maken."
I'll translate this: We're stuck. We don't know anymore. We sail blind. PANIC!!
Fear was already a bad counselor. Of course, so is panic. Another month of no report to be found and then it will be April 15, 2021 (https://open.minvws.nl/dossier/VWS-WOO/3755967-1060180-pdo/document/VWS-WOO-08b-1350230...). Earlier I wrote more about this hugely important period (April 2021) for the vaccination program.
In the earlier reports, it was mentioned several times that the time between the 1st and 2nd injection with Pfizer should actually be increased from 3 to 6 weeks. In connection with the health of the recipient. The Health Council of the Netherlands was of the same opinion. This report states that the minister was not going to adopt that advicebecause rescheduling the appointments caused too many IT problems. So. IT to the rescue, but different.
In response to the specific question received about how long the vaccines actually provide protection, a decision is made: "over de bescherming kunnen we op dit moment nog geen wetenschappelijk onderbouwde adviezen geven." Bummer. Did those vaccines actually work? Maybe we can do better @SteigstraHerman ask?
And The monitoring of side effects was now a huge problem.
"En n.a.v. het feit dat we in steeds meer Awkward situations arise due to the (possible) side effects of the vaccines. To what extent should we in this group rely on label information and knowledge from science (such as RIVM) and when do you go to Common sense gebruiken?"
Yes When are you going to use your common sense? When do you actually do that? What if your information management lags behind? At the moment that the safety function is at risk (e.g. a month earlier, see above)? When, oh when?
We need to "oppassen dat het niet een mening wordt", the working group notes. No shit Sherlock.
ALL communiqués about covid-19 were opinions.
EVERYTHING was simply GUESSWORK.
EVERYTHING.
And then: "CIMS is nog steeds niet bruikbaar. Het blijft een uiterst moeilijk om de dagelijkse vaccinatiecijfers te verzamelen. Op 09-04-2021 heeft het ministerie ons verzocht (via de DG) om de cijfers aan te passen. Op 13-04-2021 is daaruit een nieuwe rapportage voortgekomen. This was done under very high pressure and was an unpleasant process. De verwachting is dat we de komende 6 maanden de gegevens zullen moeten schatten."
Yes, you were only busy with that for four months, with gambling, so those six months can also be added.
"De minister [wil] exact weten hoeveel mensen gevaccineerd zijn. Dit kunnen wij alleen dagelijks aanleveren d.m.v. schattingen op basis van de geleverde vaccins. Daar zitten vele haken en ogen aan. [...] De monitoring van het vaccinatieprogramma kunnen we niet goed uitvoeren. [...] Dit is dramatisch."
"Het RIVM heeft meer dan een jaar geleden al gewaarschuwd voor deze problemen. [...] We kunnen eerlijk uitleggen wat de consequenties zijn van wat er nu gebeurt m.b.t. data en de onmogelijkheid tot monitoren. [...] Dit is allemaal gecommuniceerd met de opdrachtgever en in de verslagen van overleggen vastgelegd."
Dramatic. We have warned about this. The ministry knew about it. It can be requested via the WOO.
SO HUGO KNEW ABOUT IT.
H U G O W I S T E R V A N.
What a huge jerk that is.
Really, dick wallpaperer.
(sorry, I was reminded of the heart attacks my eldest two sons had after being pressured by Hugo to get vaccinated)
A month later, on May 20, 2021 (https://open.minvws.nl/dossier/VWS-WOO/3755967-1060180-pdo/document/VWS-WOO-08b-1349878...), I found the last available report (there must be dozens more, perhaps even hundreds).
The estimation of figures, the flawed security function, it has now sunk in a bit more with the civil servants. People have calmed down a bit, so to speak.
This is how one writes about the duration of protection of a vaccine "Inschatting is dat Pfizer en Moderna 12 maanden beschermen (without having seen any study or data). Dit lijkt optimistisch, wordt anekdotisch niet gehaald." Wet finger work, just do 12 months dude. Who then lives, who dies.
"Aanname nu is dat vaccinatie beschermt tegen ernstige Covid. De circulatie van en besmetting met Covid daarna, kan het lichaam verder tot aanmaak van antistoffen aanzetten. Maar we weten niet of dit daadwerkelijk zo werkt."
On May 20, 2021, it was not known within this important working group whether the vaccines helped against a severe covid-19 infection. So that was not reflected in the figures. What did we do it for again?
Two months later, children began being injected with an experimental drug that had not had a safety feature in the previous six months. They gambled that it would be all right.
At the end of 2022, we had an excess mortality of 300 in the young age. There were ZERO deaths from covid-19. ZERO.
Finally. Sorry for the long post. Sorry for the swearing. I am so terribly pissed that there has been no clear disclosure about the problems that people had. They had their hands tied, they were blind and deaf to all the signals that were there. Public health has been gambled with instead of using their common sense.
Public health was and is at risk. In great danger because the Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport has shown that it can NOT handle the surveillance of Public Health.
Lift them. All. Lift them. Send them home. Don't listen to anything they say anymore.
Because it's just an opinion.
They write it themselves.
(Everything in this post is not an opinion. It's true. and painful. Swearing is allowed in the comments. But don't do that on the person, I've already done that above)
De woo-documenten geven een ontluisterend beeld van wat die hotemetootjes zitten te doen in onze duurbetaalde instituten: hun rolletje in Het Systeem vervullen. Dit document spreekt compleet voor zichzelf. Ook ten hemel schreiend. Ik begin steeds beter te begrijpen hoe de Duitsers van 80 jaar geleden het hebben kunnen organiseren. Het 'woke' van de jaren dertig herleeft.
Rampant inanity/irresponsibility of the people in charge; arrogant chatterboxes who "set over us"
And where is a reaction from the Lareb and the chief working there?
Alas, alas, a confirmation of everything we already knew.
And if you have made a mockery of the truth often enough, you may go to Zeeland to do a blessed work there.
Agnes Kant does indeed deserve some journalistic attention.
Well, I didn't really follow Lareb. I belong to the group that did not trust the government from the start. Have experienced their harmful lies before.
But, isn't it true, that Agnes presented to the outside world for as long as possible that there were no really nasty side effects (dude, a bit of pain in the arm, a bit of fever, don't whine, plaster on it, done)?
If Lareb already reported internally about serious side effects and she has kept her mouth shut for political and career gain; Isn't she an accomplice to conspiracy resulting in death?
Which lawyer/judge/journalist who is about to retire (because after that you will irrevocably lose your career) dares to investigate this further?
My condolences to all concerned! Strength, disease and misery cause but in my opinion it is now even more dangerous because putting all systems in order means even more control, pressure and coercion. First the recognition and punishment of the people who were responsible for this and only then the setting up of working systems with freedom and privacy guarantees! So beware, because they will use the rumblings to convince people that there should be one system, for example linked to a credit card-like passport 😱
Strength = Mortality (unfortunately to be experienced in my broken family, both because of the jabs and because of the measures).
"I'm starting to understand better and better how the Germans of 80 years ago were able to organize it. "
Google:
Bonhoeffer von der Dummheit
In English: Bonhoeffer on Stupidity
If you read this, it seems that the start of the vaccination campaign and the associated vaccination administration (CIMS) has been handled very amateurishly. But was it really that amateurish? It happens to be very convenient for the authorities that the CIMS administration did not want to get off to a good start in the beginning. Elderly people who died shortly after the first or second vaccination never ended up in the vaccination database in this way. After all, deaths did not have to be registered in CIMS. As a result, they were wrongly counted as unvaccinated in the excess mortality statistics.
And voila, on paper, the vaccine suddenly seems very 'safe and effective'. That's just as convenient.
This so-called administrative tinkering is in stark contrast to the rest of the corona policy, especially the communication policy. It was perfectly organised and in sync with what was happening abroad.
I personally have the feeling that from the outset, a conscious effort has been made to cover up vaccination damage as much as possible and to keep it out of the picture. (I myself am one of the victims.)
Vaccination victims were silenced in all kinds of ways. They were complaints after vaccination and not before. Causality had not been proven. You didn't get medical help, because that would mean recognition. It was called psychic or a nocebo effect. If you did seek publicity, it was immediately framed as fake news and anti-vax. The media and politicians worked very this: "there is no such thing as vaccine damage" most of them said. Even friends and acquaintances began to parrot this nonsense.
Most vaccination victims are so intimidated that they no longer dare to go public. You get all kinds of rubbish thrown at you. Moreover, you are blamed for the fact that childhood vaccinations are decreasing, partly because of you.
pfffffff