0-65 years in nl: more excess mortality in the past year than covid deaths since March 2020

by Anton Theunissen | 31 Aug 2022, 14:08

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  1. jan van ruth

    "The RIVM site reports that a total of 22,598 Dutch people have died of Covid FROM COVID since March 2020."
    We all know that those figures are just nonsense.
    Starting from those figures and basing a calculation on them is charlatanism.

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    1. Anton

      Those numbers are the best we have... If you start reasoning how many there will really be, you will immediately be 5-0 behind.

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  2. HansV

    Anton, even with the (too high) CBS figures, from August 2021 to the present you only arrive at 1,640 to 1,680 deaths or with corona for the 0-65 group. The figures up to 1 January 2022 are exact, extrapolated from that moment on taking into account that 7% (no longer 8) of deaths are younger than 65 and the total number of deaths from or with corona at RIVM (which are known to date) is a factor of 3 lower than at CBS.

    In short, your story still makes sense!

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    1. Anton

      I had estimated that 8% to be more than (i.e. 'safe') based on this page
      On the same page, 22,598 Covid deaths were reported.

      If the message had been: CBS reports more excess mortality than Covid deaths in 2022, that doesn't say much. After all, that excess mortality also includes covid deaths. It is complicated to explain that excess mortality should be lower.

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  3. Stijn Hotels

    Hi Anton,

    You might find this thread interesting:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/orwell2022/status/1566891121103478790

    I am not statically educated myself, but perhaps this is interesting for you to consider.

    The crux of his argument is that excess mortality is due to 'the corona measures', not vaccination.

    MVG
    Stijn Hotels

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    1. Anton

      I do not believe that there is only one cause for the excess mortality. The disruption of society is undoubtedly an important driver of this. Even if vaccination had only contributed 20% to this, it would still be a medical blunder of the first order.
      Furthermore, he uses Sweden as proof that it cannot be vaccination. However, Sweden is not that undiscussed. There is hardly any undermortality. After the first wave, there was no time for that, then the second wave came. But after that?
      Perhaps it is an idea to estimate what the share of vaccinations would be based on Sweden. Orwell insists that there is nothing wrong in Sweden in terms of excess mortality. With a longer-term analysis, I suspect that there is something to be said about that, see picture. He is very firm, I am less so, which is sometimes a bit difficult to talk to. (And I don't like Twitter very much anyway.)
      Excess deaths in Sweden

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