A statistical fallacy: unvaccinated excess mortality in Italy and at Nivel

by Anton Theunissen | 6 Nov 2024, 22:11

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  1. Miranda

    If both NIVEL and these Italian researchers continue to cling desperately to the conclusion that there is a high (non-covid) excess mortality among unvaccinated people, this should be a reason for an in-depth investigation into the explanation.
    Let's assume that the bias caused by HVE and data pollution is indeed too small to draw the conclusions. Then the excess mortality from non-covid causes among unvaccinated people could be the result of delayed or incorrect care, specifically for that group. There are anecdotes of doctors who refused to treat unvaccinated patients. They had to get vaccinated first. If this turns out to be a structural phenomenon, it is very serious. Some (resentful) doctors will have given priority to vaccinated people, but I can't imagine that this has happened on a large scale. What other explanations could there be that apply specifically to the group of unvaccinated people?

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    1. Anton Theunissen

      The survey is from last year and Nivel is still clinging to absurd figures, so that "if..." You can leave it out I'm afraid.

      I don't see any reason to assume that the bias caused by HVE and data pollution is too small to draw conclusions. They are just too big, so no conclusions can be drawn.

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      1. Miranda

        Totally agree. These conclusions are untenable. It's ridiculous that they stick to it.
        But if they don't want to admit they're wrong, they'll still have to come up with a well-substantiated explanation.

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      2. c

        This week, a family member met a young doctor at the consultation office. "We don't want two injections in our baby, but only the most tested "old-fashioned" one, because last time the baby became very sick from two injections". The doctor said "what nonsense because you don't know which shot anyway so what difference does it make". "50% chance that it was that new shot, so if the baby doesn't get very sick now, we know (almost) for sure" "By the way, it has been reported to the Lareb". The doctor got a very nasty attitude and started to force, of course there were no leaflets. The calculation was too complicated for this doctor. Of course, the baby went with one old-fashioned shot, which Prof. Capel is not negative about it, go home. Still very tense parents because it is not without risk either... The baby is doing fine, but the relationship with the child health clinic will never be okay. And that is not without risk because people are immediately dismissed as "antivaxxers".

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  2. Leonardo

    On Monday, September 2, 2019, a population screening program started in Italy.
    Blood samples were taken throughout the country for a heart disease study.
    Those samples were, of course, preserved.
    It later turned out that a significant proportion of those samples contained antibodies against the Sars-Cov-2 virus.
    In view of the incubation period and the need to pass through the disease and produce antibodies, this visor must have been present throughout the country in the summer.
    Bergamo was a psyop.
    Then of course you can expect these kinds of articles.
    By the way, I thought that many Italian doctors realize their errors and are actually pushing back.

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  3. jan van ruth

    The unhealthy non-vaccine effect has already been studied in another way.
    A large group of people was examined to see whether they had been treated or admitted to hospital in the 5 years prior to 2020.
    It was known whether these people had been vaccinated afterwards.
    It turned out that the chance that the unvaccinated had been treated in hospital was 16% higher and the chance of being admitted to hospital was 3% higher.

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    1. Anton Theunissen

      Dat is een leuke! De vaccins werken dus ook met terugwerkende kracht.
      Zou je de link naar dat onderzoek nog kunnen terugvinden?

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