RIVM bandwidth decoded: "we're going to die sooner, get used to it"

by Anton Theunissen | 19 May 2024, 08:05

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  1. LN

    Would the RIVM keep shadow accounts? Because, of course, they will miss flu and heat waves (or only signal their peaks).

    Until Dec. 2023, the RIVM stated this on the page https://www.rivm.nl/monitoring-sterftecijfers-nederland :

    “Since the flu epidemic of 2009, RIVM has been monitoring the number of deceased people with data from Statistics Netherlands every week. The purpose of monitoring mortality rates is to portray the impact of an epidemic or an incident. In the past there are peaks in the total mortality in cold and heat waves and at brokerage waves, and at brokerage waves.

    The excess estimates of Statistics Netherlands and RIVM can differ at weekly level.
    ⦁ Statistics Netherlands looks at the averages over recent years for the week in question, these include increased mortality in the flu season.
    ⦁ RIVM also wants to map over the flu every year. For that reason, the estimates of Statistics Netherlands and RIVM differ. "

    Now she states:
    "Since 2009, RIVM and Statistics Netherlands have been keeping the number of deceased people in the Netherlands every week. This allows the consequences of special circumstances to be portrayed on the number of deceased people. For example, in the event of a heat or cold wave, a flu wave or the outbreak of an infectious disease."

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  2. LN

    And a lot of thanks, Anton, for the signaling and the explanation. It is very bitter that this was not even noticed in the "normal media".

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  3. H Visser

    inmiddels meer onderzoek: oversterfte moet onderzocht want lijkt te komen door de prikken:
    “Conclusions Excess mortality has remained high in the Western World for three consecutive years, despite the implementation of containment measures and COVID-19 vaccines. This raises serious concerns. Government leaders and policymakers need to thoroughly investigate underlying causes of persistent excess mortality.”
    https://bmjpublichealth.bmj.com/content/2/1/e000282

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    1. Anton Theunissen

      Ja er komen er steeds meer. Ik zal binnenkort een aantal verzamelen en in een artikel op een rijtje zetten.

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  4. Harry

    I only see this now, very interesting, thank you! But I am puzzled by the claim that "the 'uncertainty' [...] is 2 times the square root of 3230". I haven't seen anything like it before.

    Usually, the standard uncertainty (SD) is based on the deviations of the mean – and not the square root of the mean. If the data is put into Excel or Openoffice, the standard deviation can easily be calculated. However, the use by RIVM is more vague, because they do not include (or take?) flu waves. For example, in the . CSV for May to September 2023 with =STDEV(B98:B119) a flu-free sample standard deviation of 103.6, so two SD is 207. The RIVM takes, if I understand correctly, (D141-C141)= 419 as the bandwidth for 2024, which is two times two SD so that 2*SD=209.5 and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

    In times with more fluctuation, the standard celebration is greater than before, by definition. But whether that should be considered "normal" is of course also a point that can be debated. I don't think so, with the same arguments as why the excess mortality that has now become "normal" should not be considered "normal".

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    1. Anton Theunissen

      'Whether that should be considered "normal" is of course also a point that can be debated.' That is indeed the most important point. See also the Broadening margins.

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  5. LN

    The forecast of RIVM, which is now visible up to and including wk 43 (end of October), shows a remarkably steeper curve from wk 35 onwards than in previous years. The expected "autumn bumps" will remain nicely in between, but the peaks of heat waves will still be visible.

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