We know how the medical industry is divided into specialist containers that regard each other as authorities on the specialization in question. But what they all need to be able to heal and to distribute medicines are: sick people. Seen in this way, infection prevention is a turnover-reducing activity. Disease prevention under the flag of Medicine So a difficult position. It should be a separate profession – in addition to Medicine, not as part of it.
In any case, it is to be welcomed when a hospital has a Infection prevention expert . And according to nu.nl, that is the case in Amstelland Hospital. I imagine a pretty brave type with that; After all, you are knocking bread out of your colleagues' mouths with your advice. (Unless, of course, you proclaim nonsensical prevention measures, because with a false sense of security you actually increase the number of patients.)
We know that providing clean, breathable air is the single most important way to prevent infection by a respiratory virus. That means: sufficient air exchange, namely ventilation with outside air.
Late Infection prevention not about that. Not at all, as we will find out...
How do they find them, every time
Not only nu.nl but also talk shows and newspapers always find experts who are not hindered by advancing insight. Of course, that is becoming increasingly difficult, by now everyone knows who has been lying and who has not. For a dpg journalist, it is then important to carefully choose the right expert. Or browsing through the card catalog with rejected items again.
nu.nl is another expert on stage today. She is, as nu.nl claims on February 16, 2025: 'expert in the field of infection prevention and affiliated with Amstelland hospital in Amstelveen'.
And what does this infection prevention expert say:
I would insult my readers if I were to explain why this is utter nonsense. But how is this possible? How dare an expert in the field of infection prevention go public with this disinformation...!? Are there really still experts who deny that infection with a respiratory virus does not enter with the breath, via aerosols? That battle has now really been fought.
That makes me curious, also because I don't live far from that hospital. On the website of Amstelland Hospital I can't find her among the employees. Then take a look at LinkedIn. There she is "Open to work", so inbetween jobs. That's strange, because nu.nl presents her as "affiliated with Amstelland Hospital in Amstelveen."
LinkedIn shows that she worked at the hospital in question from September 2020 to July 2024. So she was there for the last time 6 months ago. It seems that nu.nl recycles old disinformation due to a lack of experts who are still willing to support the prescribed Narrative Propaganda in exchange for a Moment of Fame.
Let's give the lady involved the benefit of the doubt. Those people in healthcare are all really doing their best, they are just in a rotten system. Just like journalists, by the way – but I do blame them.
Judging by her LinkedIn posts, she has mainly been concerned with hygiene, sterility and the prevention of bacterial infections. In fact, the entire infection prevention business appears to revolve around that!
Just for fun, I also took a look at the guidelines for general practices of the Dutch College of General Practitioners (dangerous).
It seems as if general practitioners never get anyone with a respiratory virus among their members. Because what are the topics: disinfection methods, cleaning, hand washing, gloves – not a word about fresh air or ventilation. Really nothing at all. Not even about the waiting room, for example, or about the consulting room. No wonder that in practices, clinics and hospitals you only saw hand pumps, mouth masks and one-and-a-half-meter instructions before you were allowed into a stuffy consulting room.
OK, we've seen where this expert is coming from. I assume that the quotes were elicited from her sometime in 2020, when she had just seen the well-known video of Marion Koopmans on the Jeugdjournaal. He explains there how it works with corona infections. From your mouth to your hands, on something, and then through other hands to someone's mouth. Yes, that's how you get huge outbreaks...
For those who didn't know it yet
nu.nl is also part of dpg media, the club Maarten Keulemans also writes for. It now screens with semi-aerogenic viruses and viruses that have decided to take the aerosol from now on after a few months.
You can read the article on nu.nl here: https://www.nu.nl/binnenland/6345924/je-wordt-makkelijker-ziek-in-een-drukke-trein-maar-zo-verklein-je-de-kans.html
And of course Maurice already placed his bewilderment on X.
To make you mad, Anton.
All logic is lost here. I do wonder where people get these kinds of ideas from. They probably mean well. I think they are emotions that are so ingrained that logic is ignored. Just as people are convinced that vaccinations are a great good. Again, if you ask further, such beliefs are not based on any direct knowledge or background. Something or someone once said that, they are ideas that have been ingrained for decades. Haven't millions of lives been saved by it? Just as RFK jr is invariably portrayed as a fool, someone who wants to ban all childhood vaccinations. He never said that, but it is just copied in the MSM. The DPG magazines and other distribution channels probably offer opinions that they know will go down well with the masses who get the same kind of propaganda from all sides.
I try to understand the process. Indeed, we no longer need to talk about the substantive side. 80% apparently believe this nonsense. Or would it be less, I'm curious about that. I see it as pure propaganda, the next inevitable question is who or what is behind it. It's not about this one lady. Indeed, it seems that these media are diligently looking for someone who still wants to defend the narrative. Then a little lower caliber. Kind of? How would that work at NU.NL? And with all those other similar editors? Would there be no one who makes critical comments, or have they already disappeared?
What would happen if NRC, Volkskrant or NU.nl started doing decent journalism and reported facts that were unwelcome to their readers? For example, that there are clear signs that the Covid mRNA 'vaccines' are not safe and effective at all, that Robert Kennedy is not a fool but is a very reasonable, very driven advocate of a healthier lifestyle who also wants to tackle the deep-rooted corruption in health care? In other words, that all the "facts" of the past few years were lies. I think they would be vomited out, and that way the model is maintained. The readers are told what they want to hear and the media meets those wishes. Simple market forces. Or do the media deliberately offer disinformation to keep the bastards stupid?
'We', the skeptics continue to amaze us. Where is the turnaround, when will the masses realize that they are being fooled?
Their subscriber base is emptying, subsidies and other support amounts are becoming increasingly important. And if they come from the sitting side, they think they are doing the right thing too.
Fortunately, a new hero has risen. A billionaire who warns us against the influence of American high-tech billionaires.
https://nos.nl/artikel/2556199-joop-van-den-ende-bescherm-onze-media-tegen-amerikaanse-manipulatie
Joop, the emperor of commercial pulp, is now standing up for 'quality' media.
'Our' media have been manipulated for years, but the dissenting voices are seen as manipulation by Joop (who applauds the fact that DGP is getting even bigger). It gets crazier and crazier.
I think that the various (in more than one respect) editorial boards are now populated with people who can no longer think independently, can build up a reasoning for themselves and shoot it down again, or substantiate and confirm it. Who cannot (or do not want to?) study an opposite world of thought, a different perspective, but stay far from it or even denounce it in advance.
Delusions are of all times, about contamination, about climate, about witches, etc. Those delusions cannot be eradicated. The average person is not sapiens but insane.
To survive in a world full of madmen, not to be infected, are necessary seclusion, selection of contacts, mental closure.
So I keep at least one and a half meters away, in fact, I walk around people with a wide bow, don't open the door when the doorbell rings or leave it ajar for a short time, wear earplugs, never watch TV and don't read newspapers.
You need compensation. I walk through nature, cuddle with nice animals I meet, let myself be intoxicated by the scents of flowers, cherish the sunlight and lie down in the grass along the waterfront when the weather is good.
.. And you can read an article here every now and then. Thanks for that compliment! 🙂
I read it on nu.nl. What an incredible sadness. In fact, it's so sad that most of the people below it on nujij.nl also complain about it. Hurrah! For once.
https://x.com/immetjes/status/1891056512535007449?s=61
Haha, even there – I noticed that too!
Bij nu.nl ooit een reactie gegeven die perfect in lijn was met de huisregels maar zonder pardon werd verwijderd. Op het antwoord op mijn vraag waarom mijn reactie weg was na nota bene tientallen duimpjes omhoog wacht ik nog steeds.
And by the way, recently the WHO in its wisdom has decided that there is no need for different names for droplets and aerosols, because where should you draw the line? That is confusing and causes too much haggling among "experts". It is a continuous spectrum of sizes. From now on, we will call everything "infectuous respiratory particles", IRPs. Nice and clear.
https://www.rivm.nl/weblog/ib-nieuwe-who-terminologie-voor-transmissie-van-pathogenen-door-lucht-wat-betekent-dit-voor
and
https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/global-technical-consultation-report-on-proposed-terminology-for-pathogens-that-transmit-through-the-air
Hi Anton, all respect for your perseverance. I read a lot of alternative media and what I see is that it is mainly like-minded people that you find there. And they then go on a great rampage with each other in the comments. They all largely agree with each other, but simply need to vent and get some attention in addition to sharing good articles. And that's a shame, because what we really need is alternative media that reach the (mostly good) people who have no idea of what's really going on and think that the government is still an organ for the citizen instead of the most dangerous indoctrinating friend with whom you no longer need enemies to go down.
What we woke up should (I think) do is try to reach this very large group of sleepers with a cautious strategic diplomatic approach. I try it with two people who are close to my heart. Both guys for whom I would go through fire, but they are firmly convinced that the government really knows what is good for you. They hate Baudet and Trump. If you ask why, Baudet is a Nazi and Trump a convicted criminal and all the clichés that the media cough up. (I don't see them as sweethearts, but as the least bad ones you can have in this day and age) Faith makes you blind and dumb. I tried to break through with one by approaching him very friendly and with slime when he had posted an article at BNN VARA on their site JOOP. He wished Trump and Baudet and a few other social right-wingers dead in the first place, but then weakened that to an unhappy New Year as a wish for the new year. In fact, I read it as a call to kill the 5 he mentions if you read the 1st paragraph correctly, but possibly I am reading it wrong. This hate message was simply approved by BNN VARA. https://www.bnnvara.nl/joop/artikelen/top-5-van-de-minst-geliefde-personen. Het artikel begint met een goedgekeurde moord en “Heal & Clean the World!” Deze man voert actie voor verschillende goede doelen en zet zich heel vaak in zonder enig belang (anders dan zijn ego welliswaar, hij IS de waarheid). Een groot contrast.
I think the reason I can't get through to such people is that they can't comprehend that that safe bubble they think they live in is an illusion and that they are terrified that all the shit and conspiracies they hear can really be true and they can lose their safe life. The same as someone who tries to deny an impending heart attack and downplays all symptoms so as not to have to face reality until it's too late. The key question is "How do we reach the deniers and the sighted blind?" I would like to see that discussion very broadly in the alternative media.
Many of us are already doing that. Start with the doubters. Where people couldn't say anything before, there is now occasionally room for such a conversation. Make sure you always have links and articles to substantiate. Like the articles here. At blckbx, more and more people come to the house who were first diametrically opposed to "our ideas". People with a narcissistic personality disorder often have years of "patience" to achieve their goal(s), they usually manipulate freely. The decent people want everything to be okay in a just way and give the guilty an appropriate punishment. Copy the art of the narcissists. But don't do yoga, I heard an expert say, because then your inner volcano can bubble up and that is not relaxing, 😅 walking (if possible) helps better 😉 Used to work in healthcare and there was a lot of cleaning. Among other things, puerperal fever has disappeared because of it, they say and I certainly saw some use... For a number of years now, hygiene in healthcare has been deeply sad and people very often give (preventive) antibiotics... also enough misery known... so why such a bullshit job in a hospital and hence no employer for a long time between two jobs... In my area, almost everyone had and has the flu. Caring is in my blood and eventually I also got the flu. Two days and small aftermath (am 60 plus) now completely better but what I now "keep" for myself: were those people c-jabbed?, their age and how long the flu lasted or lasts. Not usable for publication but good for my right (no schadenfreude). Every now and then I confront the "doubters" with this 😎
Anecdote (for what it's worth)
I once worked in a hospital where I had to set up research. The hospital in question wanted to become a 'top clinical hospital' and for that they needed a research coordinator. That research coordinator was me. Of course, that was already a wrong start, because why did that hospital want to become a 'top clinical hospital'? – Not because of the desire to know, but because a 'top clinical hospital' receives more money from the government than a general hospital.
Anyway, I got to work, where I was allowed to work with an 'expert in the field of infection prevention'. Just before my arrival, all kinds of 'quality indicators' had been introduced by (then) IGZ (now IGJ) to limit infections around operations. Think of: how often the OR door opens and other things that are easy to count. To stick to that OK door. The idea was: the less often the OR door opens, the fewer postoperative infections.
Postoperatieve infecties werden in dat ziekenhuis sinds jaar en dag gescoord via een standaard systeem en de uitkomst was >0%. Sterker nog, het percentage postoperatieve wondinfecties was vrij hoog en er was verscherpt toezicht ingesteld vanuit IGZ, want zo kon het niet langer.
The expert in the field of infection prevention showed me her excel sheet in which you could read that the number of doorways during OR had gone down sharply since they actively pursued a policy to standardize those kinds of quality indicators according to the use of IGZ.
-Everyone satisfied.
I thought: wouldn't it be interesting to see if the postoperative infections have also gone down since the introduction of the 'quality indicators'. A long story short (i.e. after an in-depth analysis in which I linked all kinds of files on an individual level) it turned out that DESPITE the introduction of the quality indicators of IGZ, there was NO reduction in Postoperative wind infections.
Conclusion: that research I had carried out was 'not interesting' and disappeared into a drawer.
REALLY happened and years before the Covid pandemic took place (i.e. the pandemic in which all scientifically unwelcome information was concealed in the same way as in the anecdote above).
An anecdote that shows that medical science is mainly medical science.
Perfect ventilation works best. But the one and a half meters or 91 centimeters (3f) according to the WHO or 2 meters in the US also partly worked. But not or hardly because of the distance between people. The most important effect is that if you use the two-metre or one-and-a-half-metre standard in, for example, restaurants, cafes, schools, this means that you will soon have twice as few people in a room. As a result, you have twice as little chance that there is an infected person among them. Perhaps this is also why the lower numbers of virus particles are better diluted and have the effect of a micro-vaccination sooner. But the much lower number of people in a room explains the research results that say that fewer infections took place if social distancing was the norm.
Nice work Anton, also that other article about excess mortality;! My compliments!
Google and AI apps still tell you to wash your hands and avoid door handles. Can you blame the experts mentioned for following the prevailing narrative?
In itself, there is not much wrong with it. If you are infected by one of the flu or cold viruses or there is a good chance that you will become infected by it, it is important that you do not get an additional infection that you can partly or largely contract through touch via bacteria and sometimes fungi or other viruses.
Hetzelfde geldt min of meer voor gezichtsmaskers. Ze voorkomen niet of amper een griepinfectie, maar verkleinen wel de kans op verschillende andersoortige infecties.
In België werd ventilatie veel serieuzer aangepakt, er was een “Taskforce Ventilatie”, scholen konden zelfs subsidie krijgen om het aan te pakken. Er werd advies gegeven over welke CO2-meters men het beste kon aanschaffen voor welke situatie, er werden duidelijke regels opgesteld.
Ik herinner me weinig van zo’n soort aanpak in NL.