New RIVM study inadvertently shows the lack of effectiveness of the Corona vaccines

by Martijn De Jong | 6 Dec 2023, 16:12

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  1. Cees Mul

    Gosh, I just wanted to run to the vaccination street with my sleeve rolled up and I'm reading this....
    I did receive an invitation. I threw away the previous one, but I'm going to keep this one. Maybe it will become a collector's item in the future. Because of the nonsense content.

    Symptoms may include: Pain at the site of the injection, Headache, fatigue, muscle pain, fever.
    That's it. The leaflet of 573 pages, which is not mentioned, contains a little more. Is that allowed?
    And the need to first take the basic series that was still in place last year has been eliminated. Apparently, next to nothing is enough. I suspect that the old jabs have expired in the meantime. And then, just like that, the medical necessity disappears. Again fascinating.
    'The corona jab brings your immune system back up to standard'. That's what it says. What it means? I don't know.

    It's far from over.

    I'm curious about the developments around Barry Young. Have you seen anything in MSM?

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  2. Elisabeth

    I would like to know what the advice is for elderly people over the age of 90 who still need to be vaccinated: to be vaccinated or not?

    Does this negative vaccination advice from the above article only apply to mRNA vaccines?

    Is it already clear whether the Novavax vaccine, which will be used in December, will help?

    And is this a safer vaccine for the very elderly?

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    1. c de Vries

      Nicely filleted, Martijn. Look forward to the sequel.

      Could it be that the difference in the 80-89 group in favour of repeat vaccinations after correction can also be partly explained by the fact that this group was not able to accept an invitation to visit the vaccination site in the event of poor health (resulting in later hospitalization with a greater susceptibility to picking up an omicron as a result). And so ended up in the hospital in greater numbers unvaccinated with omicron. (It is possible that healthy 90+ people have been vaccinated more at home).

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      1. Martijn De Jong

        Thank you. Personally, I think that the RIVM has taken 20 November as the measurement moment for the ratio between repeat vaccination and non-repeat vaccination in the general population. Unfortunately, there is nothing about this in the report, but if they have done so, it artificially lowers the bars in the rightmost bar graph of "Figure 1". If your goal is to portray the repeat vaccination favorably, that's an easy method to get that done.

        — Martin.

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    2. Martijn De Jong

      Hi Elisabeth,
      I think that would be more of a question for a doctor of integrity. I am a data analyst and unfortunately there is not enough data available about the Novavax vaccine to be able to make a statement about this.

      — Martin.

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      1. Florence

        And where is such a doctor, Martijn?
        Which agency, doctor can help me?
        Time is running out, otherwise the injection has already been given to mother without me being able to make a proper assessment for her.

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      2. Martijn De Jong

        @Florence. @Elisabeth, I would see if you can ask your question to Jan Bonten (https://janbhommel.nl/contact). He has a lot of knowledge in this field and often a surprisingly nuanced view.

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    3. Cleopatra

      Don't!

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      1. Elisabeth

        Cleopatra, please let me give you your motivation

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      2. Cees Mul

        I'll eat my hat, and maybe even my entire stock of firewood if Jan B. starts giving positive vaccination advice:-).

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    4. J.

      Dear Elisabeth, Older than 90 but also younger have recently been vaccinated (the ones they persuaded to do it or who could not refuse) with an mrna booster shot. It gave us a number of extra cremations, after an average of 9 days, so later than 6 working days after death. Mayors and others who have to give permission for the longer use of mortuary will have been terribly busy with this for a long time now, but why don't we hear that in the old media? Diagnoses were often sudden and remarkably high levels of acute leukemia. My 85+ year old parent, who could easily have lived to be 100, died furiously within a week. Screaming that I was right after all (very nasty way to be right...) and furious at doctors, government and everyone who unleashed their propaganda while persuading them to take a shot (again). Good luck with your decision to have novavax injected, maybe useful to have the ears sprayed out with it, that seems more useful to me.

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  3. Lars

    It's outrageous how a parasitic institute like the RIVM is allowed to continue to lie, manipulate and scaremonge. It is pure state propaganda from which Kim Yong Un can still learn. All intended to mask the vaccination genocide. At the cost of thousands of additional dramatic cases of sudden death and serious side effects. Apparently, the (old) government doesn't give a damn about that. In fact, that saves a lot of state pension and healthcare costs so that their unholy climate psychopathic plans can continue to be financed.

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  4. Arie

    The once developed Netherlands no longer has medical institutes that are focused on health. They are extensions of the industry to deceive the population so that their products are taken away. Given the effect of these products, they are very creditable, due to the many cancer cases and a wide range of side effects, which in turn leads to the sale of even more drugs. A smart revenue model, because only with 'vaccines' can you lure healthy people into their sickening and drug-devouring people. Amazing how the media brainwashing has been so effective that people do not show the inclination to get out of this world of lies. The sharply increasing number of cancer cases, neurological, heart and brain problems in the immediate environment pulls them even more into the medical swamp.
    And the natural sciences have died a slow death over the past 150 years, with money from big pharma.
    Greetings, I'm going back into my vegetable garden.

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  5. Elisabeth

    Jan Bonte has not yet responded to my cry for help: my 93-year-old mother will be vaccinated for the 4th time with the Pfizer vaccine on Tuesday.

    Is there an advantage for her to do it or not?

    Waiting longer is not possible, according to the GGD, vaccination is no longer possible after December 22.

    The advantage, she was told, is;
    -She really needs it because of her age, 93 years.
    -it protects 80% against getting very sick from corona
    -after vaccination you are protected for at least 9 months
    -after vaccination you will not be in the hospital
    -you become real! genuine! less sick.

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    1. Cees Mul

      Elizabeth, scrolling up a few replies, a certain 'J' has posted an unequivocal opinion. If it's not Jan Bonte himself, then it's someone who imitates his style very well. But don't you think it's strange to ask this question on a forum that is mainly visited by people who are skeptical and critical of the mRNA shots? Everyone has a duty to inform themselves. Would you accept medical advice from a complete stranger who may not even be a doctor? It is a personal decision to blindly accept the RIVM/GGD advice or to consult other sources.

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      1. Elisabeth

        Dear Cees,

        Thank you for responding.

        The duty to inform yourself has been met, you know: my mother had already spoken to a doctor from the GGD and her own, young, GP.

        You have read their arguments for vaccinating, but I hope to find out through this forum whether these arguments are really correct.

        I'm looking for substantiated on this forum! answers to the above questions. Please respond, people.

        By the way, are there any other sources that I can view, listen to and answer my questions?
        I don't master reading data and statistics, so I prefer text.

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      2. Anton Theunissen

        Agree Cees. I answered anyway. But no yes/no. Apart from the shaky data, this always remains an individual consideration. Only with healthy children do I dare to say: "don't do it".

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    2. Anton Theunissen

      The vaccination coverage of people who end up in hospital with corona is comparable to that of the population.
      The 80% percent protection of this booster shot would only apply to everyone who has had all previous shots and is therefore struggling with reduced resistance (because the total is comparable to unvaccinated).
      It is impossible to give good advice. A 93-year-old can die from both; from the injection or from the disease or just from old age after either. You will have just given the wrong advice, even though the chance may have been smaller...

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  6. J.

    Thanks for the (too) big compliment because Dr Jan Bonte is a very good writer, buy his books! I have a nursing background and quickly in 2020 a bad feeling that belongs to a profession in healthcare and that unfortunately not everyone has, especially in healthcare. Elisabeth, and others with the dilemma of whether or not to get vaccinated with a corona shot, I give the following advice: Watch episodes of unheard news, for example with Prof Dr Theo Schetters. Blckbx.tv episodes with Geert vandenBossche, Het Belgische, Tegenwind, De nieuwe wereld, and so on. Fortunately, there is still plenty to see and read. Keep in mind that the censorship was and is strong, but if you can ask a question here, you will know the way to the most accurate information. Good luck but also strength. My experience is that at the moment the somewhat healthier elderly die after the corona booster this fall, but I have no evidence and/or substantiation for that (yet) because it is based on observation and therefore anecdotal. In our environment, there is still persistent misery among all ages among those vaccinated with and without this autumn booster. There is plenty of evidence for this if you really want to search, read and find. Greetings from J. (Because of my work and environment, I still only have to use this initial. My heroes and heroines are the people who openly warn (with scientific substantiation and common sense)! Thank you all for that!

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