Who got better from the status unvaccinated after the jab

by Jillis Kriek en Anton Theunissen | Dec 24 2022, 11:12 am

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  1. Arnoud

    Clear story. Thanks again.

    I'm thinking ... it may be an idea, insofar as that is (still) possible and sensible, to structurally add a third category to such analyses. Namely something like semi-vaccinated o.i.d. for example? (If not already done)

    This has a number of advantages imo:

    1) this is purer (is that a word ? ; P)

    2) no one can hide behind this anymore and/or has to waste time and energy on an explanation about this every time, at least less

    3) in discussions, etc., there is no longer any need for (or at least less) fuss about the status of someone who falls into that category; This also makes discussions purer and therefore (hopefully) clearer (is actually a consequence of 1 & 2, or at least should be)

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  2. LN

    Thanks for this article!
    That dubiously wrong definition of the status "unvaccinated" has stayed with me all this time (almost 2 years already? scare!) as a kind of PM post. Had seen the interview with Fenton, clear explanation, shocking that statisticians with these kinds of definitions do so-called science.

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    1. Theo

      Statisticians are not scientists, dear LN. They are ciphers, at best.

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    2. LN

      In the sense of "no academics"? Hopefully not, no.
      The worst thing is that real scientists who rely on this data do not recognize the wrong assumptions, assumptions and definitions. Or recognize it and just let it sit?
      Where are the Norman Fentons in other countries? Where are the younger researchers uncovering this?

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  3. C de Vries

    Pharmacy, I think, by allowing ducky behavior by cutting back on controlling agencies, has become very adept at applying the tricks outlined by Fenton.

    Fenton's example still assumes a placebo effect, but suppose that the injection (avoided deliberate term vaccine) with repeated use has a fatal effect but is able to make Covid asymptomatic (according to Vanden Bossche's idea) and does give increased sewer value.

    Injected will not be detected as infected, possibly end up in the hospital and die there, or earlier elsewhere.

    In short, covid deaths but a lot of OVER mortality.

    Pretty much what happened in October after the autumn injection (after 18/9) with about 1000 deceased people falling under the Long-Term Care Act (Wlz). (Nursing homes with by far the most people from Wlz then left only a limited
    number of Covid deaths).

    CBS head of Galen will try to write this off again as corona deaths (I think rightly dismissed by Jan Bonte as bias). He says he is still waiting for the official figures for this period.
    But if the people who died in the institutions, nursing homes there have not already been classified as Covid, he will no longer get away with this easily. I'm curious (sorry, had to say this)

    Many thanks for the many inspiring virus variants.

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  4. Herman Aeven

    "respiratory virus epidemic starts in the children and young people"

    That is both true and not true. The virus "goes around" in different quantities and with the duration of this pandemic also through different variants. Pure spread is something else than exposure to higher viral loads. In nursing homes with a static lifestyle and relatively little ventilation, you get relatively, also per hour, more virus than a playing, moving child. The same for the elderly at home where visitors come. So this peak is more like a perfect storm. If you compare the development of spread (e.g. sewer data) with it, I think you can see that more and more people are spreading the virus and people are therefore encountering it more and more often at work, school and at home. Yes, the incidents seem to go from old to young, but you may also see the development of the epidemic itself here. In the nursing homes there were also more measures and at the same time you ultimately have fewer weaker people left for a period of time. Plus more immunity! So my thesis is that the elderly are susceptible in multiple ways. Statistically speaking, they stay in places that increase the chance of higher and regular viral loads. So in the line of fire. In contrast, "micro-vaccinations" by regular lower loads would actually encourage a form of immunization. In Sweden you see such an effect and there the nursing homes were also "forgotten", that relatively heavier infections would take place there, mainly due to the airborn factor that was only better mapped later on.

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  5. D. Kuzee

    Numbers don't lie, but liars are good at numbers.

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  6. BWM Hendriks

    When vaccinating, the disadvantages start to work immediately while it takes approximately 2 weeks before an immune response can be expected.

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