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Ad Verbrugge and Jona Walk: a conversation to forward

by Anton Theunissen | 11 Nov 2023, 12:11

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Jonah and Ad are treasures. Really sweet, observant, concerned academics. They think censorship is very bad and don't delve too deeply into it: when observing abuses and shadowiness, they don't ask by whom, from whom, why, who are those people who blackcoat those documents, they have to know everything. They are under the impression that it is still about science as it was once intended, with the naïve confidence that you can act transparently in that environment and that regulators are doing their job properly. But you can feel that they are on their way to the moment when they realize what is actually going on.

An older article that I didn't want to post right away. Jona Walk and Ad Verbrugge do a fantastic job. So this is certainly not meant as a criticism.

Another possibility is that they don't fully speak out to keep their jobs and for DNW not to be chased off Youtube. They qualify damning figures about vaccinations as 'nuanced data'. I had a discussion about this with my wife yesterday, who stood up for them. They kill two birds with one stone: stay on Youtube and, through a less radical approach, keep a large reach. They stay outside the 'wappie domain'. There is something to be said for that, because Ad Verbrugge makes no bones about it when it comes to another subject: Ukraine. Strangely enough, the way he thinks about this is not reflected in what is said about corona and science, but that subject does not undermine his academic foundations.

At Blckbx, they have found that they have to switch from Youtube to their own website when it comes to Corona items. Would the New World really be so keenly aware that they are talking about Corona with flour in their mouths? I can't believe that, everyone makes too involved and honest an impression for that.

That would also mean that they know perfectly well that MSM information is a distorted representation of the facts. You can see that in the Ukraine coverage. Do you really still rely on information in quality newspapers?

Of course you can, with the Gell-Mann effect1https://virusvaria.nl/hoger-opgeleiden-meer-geprikt-gepromoveerden-juist-minder/#:~:text=autoriteiten%20in%20informatievoorziening%3F-,Het%20Gell%2DMann%20Amnesia%20effect,-In%20dit%20kader in mind.

Either way, this video is very suitable for forwarding to MSM consumers. Jonah even speaks of "a newspaper like the NRC", and that in a positive sense. That will appeal to many, even though the NRC has excelled in narrative propaganda for (at least) three years. After the Volkskrant that is, but that's not fair because they have Maarten Keulemans.

It is therefore also possible that truly critical people still have the illusion that they can be informed by Dutch media, provided that "a newspaper like NRC". This is indicative of the naivety that characterises the academic bubble. Deception, conflicts of interest, corruption and data fraud are not topics of discussion in those circles because 'that's not what it's about'. Well, I'm afraid I have an annoying message: that's what it's all about. Just start talking about "the lack of scientific transparency" and where that comes from, because it's the same thing today.

For example, they do discuss the subject of "censorship". That's a good start, of course, but it's just a tip of the iceberg. But an hour is short, you can't discuss everything, especially with Ad. For example, some points that are not explored in depth, presumably because of the toxic nature:

  • The definition of "immunity" was tinkered with at the end of 2020 to pave the way for the mRNA vaccine 2https://www.aier.org/article/who-deletes-naturally-acquired-immunity-from-its-website/#:~:text=pretends%20as%20if%20human%20beings%20do%20not%20have%20immune%20systems
  • Effective and promising drugs, including prophylactics, were (and are) banned so that there is no alternative treatment that could have affected the legal basis for mass vaccination. This is particularly true in the U.S., whose opinions we are stamping. EMA stamps those of the FDA, the Health Council of the Netherlands stamps EMA for the Netherlands.
  • Government institutions and media are lying about the vaccines, which creates distrust. Jonah worries about the retroactive effect this distrust could have, at the expense of traditional vaccines. It doesn't sink in for her yet that corona has exposed a system that has festered for decades and now determines the market, complete with all the toilet duck studies as they are now being criticized. Did it all go well before and did the whole system turn 180 degrees in one go three years ago? Such a billion-dollar industry with global distribution chains? She would be the summary of Turtles All The Way Down should read it. There are also many questions to be asked about the real vaccines.
  • Data that could rule out the possibility that covid vaccinations have anything to do with excess mortality are jealously kept secret. The ZonMW studies are lightning rods with specific research questions that will not be able to answer the overarching question, which is "To what extent do vaccinations influence the persistent excess mortality since vaccination?" The ZonMW studies have been selected in such a way that they all beat around the bush.
  • Lareb, the official reporting point for adverse reactions, has not once played the signalling role for which the institute was founded. They were constantly lagging behind. Lareb turns out to be a calming helpdesk for the pharmaceutical industry whose main function is to stop complaining customers by giving the impression that something is being done with their complaint. The Lareb director was/is a member of the disinformation think tank to promote the willingness to vaccinate by providing one-sided information. Side effects didn't come in handy there. While identifying it early would actually inspire confidence – but not with this crap product.
  • The spikes in the vaccines will still bother many people. The DNA contamination in the vaccines can have an effect for generations to come. How much, we don't know. And the regulators and supervisors have let all that go, everything has been stamped, despite alarm signals from all sides. And the scientific world watched as commerce and politics (and thus the propaganda media) ran away with their sector. And still watching.
  • Should all people over the age of 60 really take that jab? I would say: select the vulnerable who have not yet had corona (there are not many) and take those with a BMI and/or Vitamin D deficiency that is too high, just to name a few. They could advise you to get a jab with spikes and DNA junk in it, if you feel comfortable with that. For them, the risk/benefit analysis may be better. That is, if you have an idea about the virulence of the targeted variant.

But to end on a positive note: they are doing a fantastic job, Jonah and Ad, they reach a large group of hesitators and lead them in the right direction. Those doubters would drop out if they were confronted with the real debate, so that's why I see this as welcome, soft nudging: a video to forward to doubters. Of a very different quality than those Previous Videos by Philip Buckhaults, Dr. Janci Lindsay, Denis Rancourt and Peter McCullough. That is really a different, independent kettle of fish.

References

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    https://virusvaria.nl/hoger-opgeleiden-meer-geprikt-gepromoveerden-juist-minder/#:~:text=autoriteiten%20in%20informatievoorziening%3F-,Het%20Gell%2DMann%20Amnesia%20effect,-In%20dit%20kader
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    https://www.aier.org/article/who-deletes-naturally-acquired-immunity-from-its-website/#:~:text=pretends%20as%20if%20human%20beings%20do%20not%20have%20immune%20systems
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16 Comments
  1. Cees Mul
    Cees Mul the 11 / 11 / 2023 at 16: 45

    100% agree with you, Anton. For most people, it is hard to imagine how long the pharmaceutical industry has been heavily corrupt (and the government agencies involved, including the governments themselves). I've also gone through that process of turtles all the way down. Every time there is a level below. Sometimes, just sometimes, I doubt my observations, after all, everything is an impression. But that never lasts long. The main argument for me is that the sceptics are much better informed than the poor sheep who are now queuing up again for a jab. The narrative supporters swear more than the skeptics. Because, apparently, they don't have the right on their side.
    Said before: EVERYTHING, absolutely EVERYTHING is wrong with that Covid period. The only positive thing is that we have now gained insight into the cesspool. But whether that is really an advantage is the question. Perhaps it is easier to remain in blissful ignorance.
    We don't need to talk about all the facts about the insanity of the non-medical interventions, the medicine bans, the dangers of introducing an unnecessary medical experiment on a large scale. We see it, many don't want to see it.
    The question is indeed how you make people understand what is actually going on. Gradually or with shock therapy. Recently I thought it was nice that Maarten van Rossem gave space to Ronald Meester. Get the feeling that the scandal in England is slowly coming to the surface. I'm going to take a look at Ad Verbrugge and Jona walk.
    I'm happy with this site, Anton!

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    1. Anton Theunissen
      Anton Theunissen the 11/11/2023 at 17:15

      It sounds like we're on the same page Cees, thank you for your support.

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      1. Cees Mul
        Cees Mul the 12/11/2023 at 19:03

        You do a lot more about it, Anton. I read a lot, and post something every now and then. Would like to mean more, but don't quite know how. Be sure to go to the Blckbx meeting at the end of this month. Hope to meet Maarten Fornerol. I had the idea to write something about 2 storylines: 1 the narrative of the governments, and 2: the way skeptics react to all aspects of the approach. I did start it, but it turns out to be quite a delivery. My hope is to put that somewhere mainstream someday. In any case, it helps to put everything in order. Tomorrow I'll get back to work. Would you like to do some kind of proofread, Anton?

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      2. Anton Theunissen
        Anton Theunissen the 13 / 11 / 2023 to the 03: 39

        Yes, I want to.

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    2. zz
      zz the 11 / 11 / 2023 at 17: 21

      Cees, we are always on the same page. Beautiful. For me it is also very deep: what lies and deceit. Just like with me, it took me a while to start to see 'it'. Actually, when the early treatment drugs were banned, despite the excellent results of general practitioner Rob Elens. At that time (December 2020) I made available to him the scientific article with positive results of the Zelenko protocol (HCQ+Azithromycin+Zn) used by him, but his plea for the (SWAB) authorities was rejected. On what grounds? Unknown. The scales fell from my eyes. We were indeed cheated. And I'm someone who doesn't just let that happen. But if the 'world' believes the cheating, then any dissent is very difficult [as we all know by now].

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      1. Marlies
        Marlies the 13 / 11 / 2023 at 10: 35

        Indeed, many more doctors all over the world came to good results. But hey that wasn't science, it was anecdotal. You'd think they'd be super excited. Great, people don't get into the hospital. But no. The opposite happened. Shrills of the eyes indeed. What's going on here? Now I'm reading the Real Anthony Fauci and I'm starting to understand the system. It is simply extremely corrupt. How naïve to think that it wouldn't be about money.

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      2. Marlies
        Marlies the 13 / 11 / 2023 to the 10: 36

        Hi Cees, I'd like to read along too. Is well versed in the subject matter. Anton does have my email. Greetings Marlies (Bobmarlies)

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    3. Ward van Koperen
      Ward van Koperen the 11/11/2023 at 18:38

      Totally agree Cees. I feel the same way.

      I see with sorrow how my slim healthy 77-year-old mother (had covid 2x, cold) still takes that shot for the 5th time. I can't reach it.

      There are still so many people who don't ask a single question, also because they just have no idea what's going on behind the scenes. In the meantime, they're talking about those stupid wappies...

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      1. Cees Mul
        Cees Mul the 14 / 11 / 2023 to the 10: 38

        Nice Marlies. I know you're well versed in the matter. Have visited your website before. I'm on page 1300 of the real Antony Fauci. Shocking. Those guinea pig kids is bizarre and very bad. Don't know if I'm going to make it to the 2000. It goes on and on.
        It's quite a labor to write a piece. It's disappointing, but now I have to keep going, I can't get away from it anymore:-).

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    4. Marlies
      Marlies the 13 / 11 / 2023 at 10: 32

      Hi Anton, nice piece. One of these has been in the pipeline for me for a long time. I understand Karin. It's too much at once for many. I had already thought of offering people a piece of red pill. A bite. They can suck on it, swallow a piece, spit it out quickly... Not the red pill all at once. That's too intense. You can't not know anymore. Unfortunately, innocence is over. I am happy with nuanced pieces and certainly if they are in NRC or trouw or even de Volkskrant then it can be shared with a large group. If I share a link to virusvaria, people look at me suspiciously. Well, we'll keep going. We have to.

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    zz the 11/11/2023 at 17:12

    Very good piece, Anton! I think you hit the bull's-eye. Kudos for your work. Keep up the good work, this is still very important.

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    1. Anton Theunissen
      Anton Theunissen the 11/11/2023 at 17:17

      Good to hear. I sometimes wonder if it's all worth it. But we're going to keep going anyway!

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      1. A.D. van den Heuvel
        A.D. van den Heuvel the 11/11/2023 at 21:46

        As far as I'm concerned, it's all very, very worthwhile Anthon.

        Just a thousand thanks for your efforts, the well-thought-out articles, in which emotion is not lacking but never prevails either.

        Maybe with this simple reaction I can be the deciding factor to write and publish that one article, which might otherwise have been left undone.

        I regularly check the site for new topics or additions.
        The level as well as the spirit of authenticity are always a breath of fresh air.
        Thanks!

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  3. Arnoud
    Arnoud the 11/11/2023 at 23:02

    "... certainly not with Ad there ..." Laughing with laughter I read this. 😉 Top! Just like this whole piece, Anton again. Thank you so much for all those pieces you write!

    Mvg,

    Arnoud

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  4. Hans
    Hans the 11 / 11 / 2023 at 23: 13

    Although I may be repeating myself, having read the above comments, I also want to say that I have recently wondered several times how it was possible to be deceived for so long in my life by the information that I have worn out as objective and neutral for decades.
    Unfortunately, it is now the case that I question all the "information".
    After all, how often is there an agenda behind the story that is being sold, so that the light suddenly falls on the matter in a completely different way. I'm glad that my earlier gullibility has disappeared (although I always thought I was critical in my own way) but the price to be paid for that is an increase in cynicism about the messages that people try to cram down my throat.
    To put it mildly, it comes down to: (especially) Sadder and (hopefully) Wiser.

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  5. zz
    zz the 13/11/2023 at 12:49

    I myself have also toyed with the idea of releasing a piece containing all my experiences with the COVID 'terror' from the beginning of 2020 until just about now. Terror? Yes, indeed, terror, and at that by the state. From my background, I have quite a bit of knowledge of virology / microbiology / medical aspects, with easy access to all scientific developments in this field. And, I found out early on in the so-called pandemic that all, really all, measures had no or very shaky scientific basis. I have sent many (reader) contributions about this to NRC, which were all refused (well, except for 1 – about the corona entry pass, in which I stated that they were treading on very thin ice... fairly euphemistic). Evidence of censorship? It's an unknown. But it is very strange that in a time of a supposedly life-threatening crisis (at least, that was the narrative we were all spoon-fed, wasn't it?) the opinion of people who wanted to help from their expertise was suppressed in such a drastic way. Strange, and in the continued rejection of dissenting views (cf. the "Disinformation Think Tank" founded in The Hague) leading to the very strange insight that we were simply deceived by the government. And letting yourself be cheated by your own government, in a country like the Netherlands, that 'cool country', that was and still is really going too far for me. I recognize this feeling in the other comments on this site and I am happy with it. Kudos again, Anton!

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